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How much would flights to Toulouse cost? They are just being greedy and targeting Toronto just because they've got wealthy backers. It shouldn't be their job to cover the whole league. Especially when they're not taking any Sky funds. They keep pushing their luck and Toronto will walk away to union and RL will have no one to blame but themselves. 

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11 minutes ago, Scubby said:

But like it or not, it was the reason Dewsbury and Hunslet were denied entry to SL back in the late 1990s.

Were Wakey going to move into Dewsbury permanently? I dont remember the story tbh.

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3 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

How much would flights to Toulouse cost? They are just being greedy and targeting Toronto just because they've got wealthy backers. It shouldn't be their job to cover the whole league. Especially when they're not taking any Sky funds. They keep pushing their luck and Toronto will walk away to union and RL will have no one to blame but themselves. 

That is all well and good, but alternatively they can just choose not to absorb the extra cost and tell TWP sorry.

One side holds all the cards here, so the above doesn't work as an argument 

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If Toronto get rejected, for whatever reason, I can see a noticeable decline in the game's already poor media standing.

It was clear from day one their intentions. The RFL have had years to sort this out. If there was never any intention they'd be allowed in SL, they shouldn't have let them in in the first place.

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1 minute ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

If Toronto get rejected, for whatever reason, I can see a noticeable decline in the game's already poor media standing.

It was clear from day one their intentions. The RFL have had years to sort this out. If there was never any intention they'd be allowed in SL, they shouldn't have let them in in the first place.

Unfortunately, the RFL dont hold the power for SL. Ultimately that is the issue here.

The RFL let them into L1, SLE decide whether they are in SL.

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Unfortunately, the RFL dont hold the power for SL. Ultimately that is the issue here.

The RFL let them into L1, SLE decide whether they are in SL.

You'd have thought some safeguards would have been put in place.

I honestly don't think SL would be stupid enough to decline to Toronto.

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What are the arrangements for promotion? 

With the Championship being an RFL competition and Super League being self governing, does the latter have a choice to refuse a side entry?

Apologies if this has been already covered, I haven't read the previous 13 pages!

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24 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

You'd have thought some safeguards would have been put in place.

I honestly don't think SL would be stupid enough to decline to Toronto.

Me neither, it's why I'm not too stressed about a nothing article. 

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Membership of SL & Criteria for membership of SL must have consent, in writing from the Governing Body Share, the RFL. 

The RFL chairs SLE meetings but cannot vote unless to break a tie. 

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42 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

What are the arrangements for promotion? 

With the Championship being an RFL competition and Super League being self governing, does the latter have a choice to refuse a side entry?

Apologies if this has been already covered, I haven't read the previous 13 pages!

The arrangements for promotion are simply winning the Championship Final.

Additionally, non RFL members such as Toulouse or Toronto would also have to satisfy the terms of their particular participation agreement.

We, the public don't know the full details of each agreement. For example, We can take it a move to Stade Ernest-Wallon would satisfy an element of Toulouses agreement regarding participation in the top flight.

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33 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

You best be right Dave... (for a change!) 😉

Ha, I've never claimed to have accuracy with my views :kolobok_biggrin:

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

But the sport over the last 30 years has demonstrated that it is prepared to gamble on expansion, our execution has been poor though.

True.

You also said you'd be interested in their reasons. Did you mean the ones they'll publish, their real reasons, the ones the journalists will say are true or the one Parky will make up based on quote of Bill Fallowfield from 1962?

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Were Wakey going to move into Dewsbury permanently? I dont remember the story tbh.

For a season at least , then again Leigh were refused to move to the Reebok for a season , does the Reebok pass SL criteria ?

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I think the article is BS personally.  What we all should be commenting on as true fans of the game is the cracking match Toulouse just had against York.  I am very excited to watch them play Toronto next week!

That is the type of matchup that builds excitement in this sport.  Interestingly, TO XIII drew 6000 fans when Toronto came there earlier in the season, far and away their highest attendance.  Those are the type of match ups and events that are going to propel this sport forward in new markets!

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Btw, Wolfpack did some great engagement with the Canadian Armed Forces a couple of weeks ago:

If I were the TWP and CRL, I would be looking to get Rugby League played in the Canadian Armed Forces.

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41 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

But they did make it into one , then ignored it 

Licensing wasnt a stadium comp. Only the fans banged on and on and on about the facilities and ignored everything else that was in the reports. 

But happy to concede to your greater knowledge in this area Gubrats.

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21 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

For a season at least , then again Leigh were refused to move to the Reebok for a season , does the Reebok pass SL criteria ?

I cant comment on the Leigh situation. If their license app was only knocked back because of facilities and they wouldn't let them go to the Reebok for 12m then I agree with you.

If there was anything else (at all) that wasnt strong enough in their application, then ghat supports my point.

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38 minutes ago, Oxford said:

True.

You also said you'd be interested in their reasons. Did you mean the ones they'll publish, their real reasons, the ones the journalists will say are true or the one Parky will make up based on quote of Bill Fallowfield from 1962?

That is indeed a fair question!

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Licensing wasnt a stadium comp. Only the fans banged on and on and on about the facilities and ignored everything else that was in the reports. 

But happy to concede to your greater knowledge in this area Gubrats.

As I've pointed out in the past , the LSV was 80% complete , and was to be the next venue for a Leigh match ( we had moved out of Hilton Park ) , the RFL hierarchy had visited it twice in the previous 3 months at over 50% complete , there was grass growing in the middle , but they still asked us to resubmit our licence application with Hilton Park as our stadium , we told them to shove it 

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3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I cant comment on the Leigh situation. If their license app was only knocked back because of facilities and they wouldn't let them go to the Reebok for 12m then I agree with you.

If there was anything else (at all) that wasnt strong enough in their application, then ghat supports my point.

It wasn't a licence application , it was during the 2000 play offs , they had told us Hilton Park wasn't up to standard , so we requested that we would use the Reebok until we achieved the necessary improvements , they refused 

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1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

It wasn't a licence application , it was during the 2000 play offs , they had told us Hilton Park wasn't up to standard , so we requested that we would use the Reebok until we achieved the necessary improvements , they refused 

Did they believe the improvement plan? 

Back in 2000 was Wakey offering better facilities than Leigh?

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Just now, Dave T said:

Did they believe the improvement plan? 

Back in 2000 was Wakey offering better facilities than Leigh?

It wasn't drastic , just seats , media and general tidy up , which we did for 2004/5 , unlike Cas who came down and up twice without having to do anything 

Have you been to Below Vue ? , Hilton Park wasn't Wembley , but still 100% better than BV is now 

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2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

It wasn't drastic , just seats , media and general tidy up , which we did for 2004/5 , unlike Cas who came down and up twice without having to do anything 

Have you been to Below Vue ? , Hilton Park wasn't Wembley , but still 100% better than BV is now 

It's a while since I've been to any of these grounds. And they weren't good then. 

Was the agreement with the Reebok made?

Sorry, conscious this is thread drift, but it is interesting stuff! 

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