coronavirus

[redjonn]

3 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Maybe he mainly wanted to put his lover's husband in lockdown.

chuckle.. although not sure I should be seeing the funny side.

reading the reports it says the women visited his house. I wonder if she was invited or just turned up and now put his career in jeopardy. I guess their lives and family turned upside down to be so prominent in the news.

 

[Damien]

32 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

It's not like there's even any pretence now in rotherham. Everyone is out. I suspect they'll be barbeques all over the manor with folks congregating this evening. 

There is a predominant apathy towards lockdown here now.

The more I hear this sort of thing the more I'm inclined to lock myself away.

[Wolford6]

Prof Neil Ferguson is actually a physicist and statistician rather than a medical specialist.

Thinking back to my University days, no civil engineering or physics students were remotely attractive to trophy women. I can only assume that the Prof  is very rich.

[JohnM]

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

Michael Ball was just following the inspirational lead of the Housing Minister.

[Robin Evans]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

Yes I remember Michael Ball becoming deputy chief scientific advisor to the government....matt hancock rates his advice very highly

[Wolford6]

Michael was just chequeing how Tom was doing.

[redjonn]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

mmm I get your point, but,, as always a but

he isn't visiting his household reading the article... which is key aspect of restrictions

I assume in the studio they will be kept the appropriate social distancing...

and my assumption is that they ain't making love to each other and hence embracing each other

[Robin Evans]

I have a feeling we shall be resuming some normality in the community teams within a couple of weeks

[Damien]

15 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

I've seen some epic grasping at straws but this takes some beating. Equating the actions of the deputy chief scientific advisor to the Government to Michael Ball? Really, I've seen it all now.

[SSoutherner]

2 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

I have a feeling we shall be resuming some normality in the community teams within a couple of weeks

From what i heard yesterday from a senior coach at a Union club very high up the leagues they are looking at Aug earliest for a return to any form of close proximity coaching

[Saintslass]

16 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Ferguson gets visited by his lover in breach of lockdown. Result? Resigns.

 Michael Ball visits Captain Tom in breach of lockdown.  Result? Yes, you guessed.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/captain-tom-and-singer-michael-ball-meet-first-time-2843892

They weren't breaching rules of lockdown though.  Two people from different households are allowed to meet, as long as they stay 2m apart.  If there was a human camera operator then they are ok too as they are key workers but must stay 2m apart from the others.  

[Ackroman]

55 minutes ago, redjonn said:

is he the only one saying put us in lockdown and is he also the advisor to other countries who put citizens into lockdown.

Pretty much. His predictions were a huge influence.

[Robin Evans]

2 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

From what i heard yesterday from a senior coach at a Union club very high up the leagues they are looking at Aug earliest for a return to any form of close proximity coaching

I expected 2021 if I'm honest. 

[SSoutherner]

Just now, Robin Evans said:

I expected 2021 if I'm honest. 

i suspect jan21 for games - they were talking about even team coaching, things like touch or passing a ball around

[Dave T]

7 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

They weren't breaching rules of lockdown though.  Two people from different households are allowed to meet, as long as they stay 2m apart.  If there was a human camera operator then they are ok too as they are key workers but must stay 2m apart from the others.  

Yes, this is a grey area. The written guidance is as you state. However the verbal updates are that we should not go and meet a friend or anything like that. Remember there was quite a lot about couples who live separately shouldn't meet, and we should only exercise etc. with people from our household.

I don't know whether there is some issue around legal wording or something that has led to this contradictory position.

Because according to the written guidance I could meet my mate at the park and go for a jog as long as we stay a couple of metres apart, but we are also not meant to do that according to the government. 

[Damien]

The number of deaths rise again in Spain:

Spain daily deaths rise as PM seeks emergency extension

Spain's death toll rose by 244 in the last 24 hours, the first time since Saturday the number has risen above 200.

In total there have been 25,857 confirmed deaths from the virus, and the country has confirmed 220,325 cases - a rise of 996 compared to Tuesday.

Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is asking parliament to extend the state of emergency for a few more weeks, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that "the goal is near" but "we are not there yet".

[Robin Evans]

3 minutes ago, Damien said:

The number of deaths rise again in Spain:

Spain daily deaths rise as PM seeks emergency extension

Spain's death toll rose by 244 in the last 24 hours, the first time since Saturday the number has risen above 200.

In total there have been 25,857 confirmed deaths from the virus, and the country has confirmed 220,325 cases - a rise of 996 compared to Tuesday.

Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez is asking parliament to extend the state of emergency for a few more weeks, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that "the goal is near" but "we are not there yet".

There's the rub. I've been saying this for the last two weeks as social activities appear to be doubling day on day to near normal levels..... we are not over this crapola yet ffs. People will die

[redjonn]

17 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yes, this is a grey area. The written guidance is as you state. However the verbal updates are that we should not go and meet a friend or anything like that. Remember there was quite a lot about couples who live separately shouldn't meet, and we should only exercise etc. with people from our household.

I don't know whether there is some issue around legal wording or something that has led to this contradictory position.

Because according to the written guidance I could meet my mate at the park and go for a jog as long as we stay a couple of metres apart, but we are also not meant to do that according to the government. 

i guess its difficult to a)have a simple message easily understood and b)having nuances that can confuse.

Its like the over 70's... not all over 70's are as vulnerable as other over 70's... how do you get simple clear instructions with lots of if this but that, on the other hand....

also not helped when national policing body give guidance to police on how to implement fines for consistency across forces.  It ain't official guidance to public its trying not to be draconian but then we read it as well its ok as the police have written it. The nuance being it's purely in the context of applying fines but not what restrictions are.

In communications their is also too many different actors articulating the message... I mean even the mirror had the restrictions reported incorrectly at one point when I read the paper... I at least expected it to be accurately reported but then question why... as distinct to inaccurately report.

Civil servants must at times bash heads against wall when drafting communications simple and clear enough for us numskulls to easy understand the rule. 

I'm definitely one of the numskulls but even so some are even worse than me...

 

[Maximus Decimus]

15 hours ago, Ackroman said:

Has no-one considered whether their reaction to poor social distancing is actually justified? 

I also think a bit more cynicism about the whole lockdown policy would be a bit healthier than the pitch fork mentality that's developing in our society.

Ask yourselves what closing outdoor spaces does for social distancing in comparison to letting us all shop in B&Q, or Aldi, or catch a bus? The policy is a mess and panicky for reasons I cant quite fathom at the moment.

Recognise your mortality, particularly if you've been having fun along the way. Have we forgotten that our job is to keep living not staying alive?

If you can do this, you may like me be thinking WTF is going on? We've always had flu, some years not so bad, others I've spent Christmas in bed. Why, if 30,000, or possibly even 60,000 people die from a population of 66m, of which 10m may have been infected, have we been in isolation, particularly when somewhere between 30% and 50% of deaths may likely to have been in care homes? That is an effing scandal. WTF constitutes care for the elderly, that's what I want to know. Why am I at home trying to protect them?

Come on people, folks queuing for a coffee or climbing on a plane should be the least of our worries. Let's be honest we either fly or we don't. If we do then do it and stop shaming those that do. Even the bloke taking the photo is a prat for trying to moralise. If he was so bothered he should have stayed at home.

 

 

Look at that direction of travel of excess deaths. Consider that fact that the lockdown has enabled the NHS to cope and will undoubtedly have slowed the spread of the virus.

I think on balance, being a bit cautious and what in hindsight might be seen to be a bit over-zealous is infinitely preferable to the alternative possibility where they could have been too lax and seen a higher number of excess deaths.

 

 

[gingerjon]

Taiwan, which has been playing baseball behind closed doors for a month (ish), will now open up the stadiums to a maximum 1,000 people per game.

There are pretty strict rules to do with social distancing within the stands and all attendees must have a temperature check before entering and will be required to wear a face mask at all times.

(For context, the average attendance for these games is normally around 5,000 and the grounds hold about 15,000 each),

[ckn]

1 hour ago, Robin Evans said:

I have a feeling we shall be resuming some normality in the community teams within a couple of weeks

Have you not seen the extra care homes work coming your way then? And you've now got 7½ days to start delivering...

[Maximus Decimus]

15 hours ago, Bob8 said:

Well, this is a variant. But, there is no good reason to doubt that it started in Wuhan. The nature of these things is they are likely to arise in Africa or Asia.

The main variation will be with humans, who are far more complex and diverse.

Even if it was in France/UK etc much earlier (and I'm still very sceptical), this is clearly a variant/mutation of that that should not be treated as the same thing.

I got into a disagreement with my sister in the early days of this, because she posted in Facebook about how she was convinced her daughter had it in January and there were lots of replies from friends stating that their friend/relative definitely had it too etc. 

I tried with kid gloves to point out that this was extremely unlikely and was quickly shouted down. My concern was that if a lot of the population think they've had it, they'll be much less vigilant about it. 

There have been other studies too. In the US (I forget where exactly), after numerous reports of people convinced they had it, they decided to go back and test cases from over Christmas. They found that there were no positives until February which was when they knew the virus had arrived.

 

[JonM]

3 hours ago, Ackroman said:

Maybe this is a political point but there's some worrying connections between his work at University College London and the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation which funds research on vaccines and similar diseases across the world. The question is whether he was motivated to predict such numbers? Secondly, as an experiment in control the coronavirus pandemic has worked very well because we're doing some crazy stuff when the data was so flimsy. 

Very worrying that we can all be herded so easily because someone with a PhD creates the bogeyman.

LOL. 

[Ackroman]

17 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

 

Look at that direction of travel of excess deaths. Consider that fact that the lockdown has enabled the NHS to cope and will undoubtedly have slowed the spread of the virus.

I think on balance, being a bit cautious and what in hindsight might be seen to be a bit over-zealous is infinitely preferable to the alternative possibility where they could have been too lax and seen a higher number of excess deaths.

 

 

I'm not saying it's not a problem but it's not as big a problem as they would like you to think. I've had to shift my opinions to the political thread so I've put some stuff on there.