coronavirus

[Dave T]

13 hours ago, Saintslass said:

I'm sure cases in Ireland have been traced back to, er, Ireland as well.  Should Ireland not have been allowed to take place?

 

Best argument ever. Really. 

This level of quality post should not pass by without being acknowledged. 

[Damien]

14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Best argument ever. Really. 

This level of quality post should not pass by without being acknowledged. 

Indeed. I just gave up with that reply. Some things just really aren't worth replying to and wasting your time on.

[LeeF]

15 hours ago, Damien said:

You do realise that many people going to Cheltenham will be traveling from elsewhere. Thousands come from Ireland alone and cases in Ireland have been traced back to Cheltenham.

Serious question- do you know how many etc? 

Also have there been any cases linked to the stables that had runners at the Festival? 

[ckn]

 

[Damien]

17 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Serious question- do you know how many etc? 

Also have there been any cases linked to the stables that had runners at the Festival? 

Serious answer is I haven't got a clue how many would have been directly or indirectly affected. I have read many news reports going back to about 10 days after Cheltenham. In the Irish Independent last week there was an article on the impact on County Westmeath which has many stables but its behind a paywall:

Too often the people of Westmeath are victims of circumstance. Most winters, they battle against rising water, because land on the banks of the Shannon is vulnerable to flooding. Last winter was no different, but this was nothing compared with the deluge of Covid-19 cases the county has had to put up with in recent weeks.

It seems Westmeath has fallen victim to circumstance again, resulting in clusters, pubs and Cheltenham playing key roles in Westmeath's coronavirus story.

It was one of the first counties with a suspected case and until a surge in Cavan last week, Westmeath was the worst-affected county outside Dublin. Yet, does this rural county appear to be worse off than more urban settings like Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford?

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/curious-tale-of-one-countys-covid-19-caseload-39121412.html

Some information from that article can be found below:

https://www.change.org/p/irish-government-stop-giving-millions-of-euro-to-cruel-greyhound-racing/u/26350478

[Wolford6]

It's really getting serious now. ITV has cancelled Love Island.

[Niels]

48 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Serious question- do you know how many etc? 

Also have there been any cases linked to the stables that had runners at the Festival? 

None that I am aware of in Britain. Extra stringent controls and more hand washing facilities were introduced. 

Irish racing actually continued after British racing was stopped so that may account for any extra cases there. 

There are other factors such as Cheltenham had less cases post festival than neighbouring Worcestershire and even parts of the West Midlands.

It's not possible to give an exact answer until further investigations are done. 

[LeeF]

19 minutes ago, Damien said:

Serious answer is I haven't got a clue how many would have been directly or indirectly affected. I have read many news reports going back to about 10 days after Cheltenham. In the Irish Independent last week there was an article on the impact on County Westmeath which has many stables but its behind a paywall:

Too often the people of Westmeath are victims of circumstance. Most winters, they battle against rising water, because land on the banks of the Shannon is vulnerable to flooding. Last winter was no different, but this was nothing compared with the deluge of Covid-19 cases the county has had to put up with in recent weeks.

It seems Westmeath has fallen victim to circumstance again, resulting in clusters, pubs and Cheltenham playing key roles in Westmeath's coronavirus story.

It was one of the first counties with a suspected case and until a surge in Cavan last week, Westmeath was the worst-affected county outside Dublin. Yet, does this rural county appear to be worse off than more urban settings like Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford?

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/curious-tale-of-one-countys-covid-19-caseload-39121412.html

Some information from that article can be found below:

https://www.change.org/p/irish-government-stop-giving-millions-of-euro-to-cruel-greyhound-racing/u/26350478

Thank you

[Wolford6]

1 minute ago, Johnoco said:

As I say, in this situation you are playing with other peoples health, not just your own. Why would you knowingly want to do that? 

I could give, and receive flu, ebola, smallpox, polio, the common cold or a life-changing road accident. It's a question of the odds. No one is giving us the odds.

[Damien]

19 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

It's really getting serious now. ITV has cancelled Love Island.

Every dark cloud and all that!

[LeeF]

19 minutes ago, Niels said:

None that I am aware of in Britain. Extra stringent controls and more hand washing facilities were introduced. 

Irish racing actually continued after British racing was stopped so that may account for any extra cases there. 

There are other factors such as Cheltenham had less cases post festival than neighbouring Worcestershire and even parts of the West Midlands.

It's not possible to give an exact answer until further investigations are done. 

Logically I would have expected 2 fairly easily identifiable hotspots due to Cheltenham. 

One locally relating to the staff, probably mainly casual or day, who would live nearby etc.

The second hotspot would be in the racing stables who had runners. Yes these would be spread across the country with some in Ireland but relatively easy to identify.

As you correctly post further investigation is required until an exact answer is available 

[ckn]

8 political posts deleted, not moved.

[henage]

1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

Government advice: Don’t jump off the cliff, you will probably die.

 

Guy Who ‘knows’ differently: As if, I’ll jump off the cliff if I want. Don’t restrict my freedom 

Loads of people jumping off cliffs , Red Bull seem to sponsor most  

[ckn]

3 posts moved to the politics thread.

Please remember, I do this at my sole, subjective discretion on whether to delete or move. I will opt to delete most times though.

[Damien]

From the Telegraph:

England's excess death rate among highest in Europe

An analysis of official figures from 24 European countries shows that England has had the highest excess death rate and it is not dropping

England’s excess death rate is one of the worst in Europe and the number is not dropping like it is in other countries including Italy and Spain, data shows

A comparison of official figures for the number of deaths above the average across 24 European countries shows that England has had the largest spike and has stayed at the peak for longer than other nations.

Stephen Powis, National Medical Director of NHS England, told the daily Downing Street press conference that excess deaths is the “key measure” in assessing the impact of Covid-19 but argued it will be “some time” before that comparison can be done between countries.

However, figures from EuroMOMO which monitors official data including from all parts of the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy and Switzerland, show that England has had the highest level of excess deaths for the past four weeks.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/englands-excess-death-rate-among-highest-europe/

[gingerjon]

General update on the lockdown round here.

Sussex Police issued 45 fines over the weekend. Half (so 22 or 23, they're not saying) were at four beach locations where people had gone and then stuck around. Seven were for the parents of children who did not disperse when asked.

The remaining 15 includes people attending birthday parties or sharing a car for a day out.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

4 hours ago, ckn said:

 

This one's pretty good too http://shinyapps.org/apps/corona/ 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

From the Telegraph:

England's excess death rate among highest in Europe

An analysis of official figures from 24 European countries shows that England has had the highest excess death rate and it is not dropping

England’s excess death rate is one of the worst in Europe and the number is not dropping like it is in other countries including Italy and Spain, data shows

A comparison of official figures for the number of deaths above the average across 24 European countries shows that England has had the largest spike and has stayed at the peak for longer than other nations.

Stephen Powis, National Medical Director of NHS England, told the daily Downing Street press conference that excess deaths is the “key measure” in assessing the impact of Covid-19 but argued it will be “some time” before that comparison can be done between countries.

However, figures from EuroMOMO which monitors official data including from all parts of the UK, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Italy and Switzerland, show that England has had the highest level of excess deaths for the past four weeks.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/englands-excess-death-rate-among-highest-europe/

EuroMOMO site https://www.euromomo.eu/ 

The report above is slightly incorrect in that only 2 German states (Berlin and Hesse) are currently monitored

[Cas Vegas]

On 01/03/2020 at 12:02, Bob8 said:

Whilst I would be only too happy to sacrifice myself to gay zombies to preserve the forum, I would suggest that at 43 that time has passed.

@Bob8, @Johnoco, @ckn, @gingerjon



I don't think that this plan is working out too well. Don't wish to be a Moaning Minnie, or anything.

[Bleep1673]

On 30/04/2020 at 13:38, Johnoco said:

From what I can see, many people are just carrying on as normal now. I hope I’m wrong (genuinely) but I can imagine another wave coming if people are so slack, so quickly. 

Yup

 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

24 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Yup

 

Certainly an increased number of my neighbours are having regular visits from non household members. The other thing I've noticed the last couple of days is that more and more folk are making no attempt to give others a 'socially distant' berth as they walk past each other.

[gingerjon]

49 minutes ago, Cas Vegas said:

@Bob8, @Johnoco, @ckn, @gingerjon


I don't think that this plan is working out too well. Don't wish to be a Moaning Minnie, or anything.

*innocent face*

[Cas Vegas]

On 01/03/2020 at 10:09, Johnoco said:

Not at all. 
You twiddle your ‘tache Terry Thomas style. This beguiles the massed zombies and you then begin to regale them with various tales of debauchery in Cas. Baying mob placated, so we win again. (To quote Hot Chocolate)

 

On 01/03/2020 at 09:38, ckn said:

Rather than sacrifice GingerJon (after all, risking ginger zombies...), may I recommend simply having an outdoor cinema showing repeats of Coronation Street and promising bingo games during advert breaks. That’ll attract them and make them easy targets.

 

On 01/03/2020 at 12:02, Bob8 said:

Whilst I would be only too happy to sacrifice myself to gay zombies to preserve the forum, I would suggest that at 43 that time has passed.

 

[Bob8]

1 minute ago, Cas Vegas said:

 

 

 

I should point out I am even saggier and more haggard these months later.

[Maximus Decimus]

Well I've just received my test back and it came back as negative. I wasn't too worried and had pretty much presumed it was going to be negative, but I do have a couple of observations:

1) Self-isolation is a lot harder than I'd anticipated. I've been in the house for 7 weeks apart from going for walks and to the shops, but the prospect of those being taken away increases the feeling of cabin fever by about 10 times. For once you really do feel locked in.

2) You feel far more judged than I'd anticipated. The majority are supportive and offering to help but you get a few comments here and there insinuating that you've made a mistake in allowing the virus in your home. Even a comment such as 'how could he (my son) have got it?' implies that getting the virus has a high degree of control and not that he could have got it by chance. Then there is the fact that if you have a few people demonstrating their ignorance verbally, how many people will be whispering and gossiping behind closed doors.

It's not a nice feeling and only adds to the normal concerns.