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2 minutes ago, ckn said:

It’s not. 

Okay.

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3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

PPE facts?

 

This one is from the old days of ancient lore of March. It’s a good analysis of the standards of facemask needed and their role. 

Four real standards (not including the big fancy full rebreather stuff you see on TV fiction in chem labs and so on, they do exist but not for 99.99% of people)

1. FFP3. The gold standard, meant for use in the most infectious environments where there’s a near guarantee of aerosol generating infection, such as A&E and ITU

2. FFP2. The silver standard, good for most things but has minor issues with protection and sealing  

3. IIR grade facemask. Fluid resistant but will not protect you if someone sneezes right in your face as it is not sealed unit. 

 4. Surgical masks, non fluid resistant masks and DIY masks. Useful for civilian use but mainly effective for those who are symptomatic or don’t know they have it.


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Just now, ckn said:

This one is from the old days of ancient lore of March. It’s a good analysis of the standards of facemask needed and their role. 

Four real standards (not including the big fancy full rebreather stuff you see on TV fiction in chem labs and so on, they do exist but not for 99.99% of people)

1. FFP3. The gold standard, meant for use in the most infectious environments where there’s a near guarantee of aerosol generating infection, such as A&E and ITU

2. FFP2. The silver standard, good for most things but has minor issues with protection and sealing  

3. IIR grade facemask. Fluid resistant but will not protect you if someone sneezes right in your face as it is not sealed unit. 

 4. Surgical masks, non fluid resistant masks and DIY masks. Useful for civilian use but mainly effective for those who are symptomatic or don’t know they have it.

Facemasks - assume a very low 'surgical' rating - for the public then would seem to be effective as long as (1) you don't touch the outside of it too often (or at all) and have one you can wash and (2) it's done whilst social distancing is maintained so the chances of someone sneezing full on over you are reduced?

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7 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Facemasks - assume a very low 'surgical' rating - for the public then would seem to be effective as long as (1) you don't touch the outside of it too often (or at all) and have one you can wash and (2) it's done whilst social distancing is maintained so the chances of someone sneezing full on over you are reduced?

There's a good science based (I know...) lay summary review on the use of facemasks for the public:

But, yes, you're right.

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7 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Latest on the Turkish PPE (hope you're not holding your breath) 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52351029

It all depends on where it’s coming from. If it’s the Turkish government then it should have a high likelihood of arriving. If from a private provider there then there’s all manner of risk and the government should never have led with “you will get it” on Saturday. 

Remember last week where the Germans accused the US of modern piracy with the US confiscating US company made stuff in Thailand that had been bought by Germany. 

It really is all countries for themselves. 


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Someone in Victoria decided to host a birthday party for an 8 year old. Police were called and 16 guests were fined $1652 (£844) each.

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Sometimes it seems like a competition between the different news broadcasters on how they view things.  Over the weekend there was a news report on one of the main news channels about how hard the lock down is effecting dairy farmers, with an interview with a very upset lady farmer who runs a dairy farm, and showing video of her pouring milk down the drains as she can't sell it as demand for milk had dropped to it's lowest levels ever.  Next day, the other channel does a piece on milkmen and dairy farmers under lock down where the milkman says his turnover on doorstep deliveries has increased by a lot and he can't get enough milk, and the dairy farmer says he could do with doubling his heard as he is working flat out and can't keep up with demand for milk.  Two rival channels, two different reports.  Maybe it differs in different parts of the country?

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A very interesting article from our Parliament's Office of Science and Technology on the virus, how it infects, treatments under investigation and their status. It's good enough that if that contradicts anything else you see then that should trump it.

 

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12 minutes ago, Jasper said:

Sometimes it seems like a competition between the different news broadcasters on how they view things.  Over the weekend there was a news report on one of the main news channels about how hard the lock down is effecting dairy farmers, with an interview with a very upset lady farmer who runs a dairy farm, and showing video of her pouring milk down the drains as she can't sell it as demand for milk had dropped to it's lowest levels ever.  Next day, the other channel does a piece on milkmen and dairy farmers under lock down where the milkman says his turnover on doorstep deliveries has increased by a lot and he can't get enough milk, and the dairy farmer says he could do with doubling his heard as he is working flat out and can't keep up with demand for milk.  Two rival channels, two different reports.  Maybe it differs in different parts of the country?

Weird isn't it?

On this example though we are working through milk for fun! All that extra coffee, porridge, cereal etc. now we are all at home every day.

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6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Weird isn't it?

On this example though we are working through milk for fun! All that extra coffee, porridge, cereal etc. now we are all at home every day.

Yup. Same here. Gone from basically 2 pints a week to “we demand all of the milk in your shop and we will return tomorrow for more”.

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17 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Weird isn't it?

On this example though we are working through milk for fun! All that extra coffee, porridge, cereal etc. now we are all at home every day.

Porridge???? Begone satan!!!

Alreight for grouting tiles. 

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I mentioned before about the huge risk of spreading the virus here in Indonesia by people travelling to their home town/village for Eid at the end of Ramadan next month ('mudik') and how it would be politically difficult to prevent. 

Well, as a first step, we all just received a text from the government politely asking people not to do it to protect their parents and family members.

"Terimakasih Anda tidak mudik tahun ini. Terimakasih Anda melindungi orang tua dan sanak famili di kampung dari kesengsaraan wabah virus corona. Covid19.go.id"

This campaign really needs to work. Failure could be devastating, in particular for Java. 

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44 minutes ago, Jasper said:

Sometimes it seems like a competition between the different news broadcasters on how they view things.  Over the weekend there was a news report on one of the main news channels about how hard the lock down is effecting dairy farmers, with an interview with a very upset lady farmer who runs a dairy farm, and showing video of her pouring milk down the drains as she can't sell it as demand for milk had dropped to it's lowest levels ever.  Next day, the other channel does a piece on milkmen and dairy farmers under lock down where the milkman says his turnover on doorstep deliveries has increased by a lot and he can't get enough milk, and the dairy farmer says he could do with doubling his heard as he is working flat out and can't keep up with demand for milk.  Two rival channels, two different reports.  Maybe it differs in different parts of the country?

Wonder if it's that 'local' demand has increased while 'commercial' demand has dropped massively?

Electricity use is another example.  Home use is up 30% yet the national grid is asking power stations to turn off as the demand has dropped so much.  

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Germany reopens bookshops & car dealerships. It says everything about German mentality. Car Dealerships? Really essential.

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13 minutes ago, Wholly Trinity said:

I mentioned before about the huge risk of spreading the virus here in Indonesia by people travelling to their home town/village for Eid at the end of Ramadan next month ('mudik') and how it would be politically difficult to prevent. 

Well, as a first step, we all just received a text from the government politely asking people not to do it to protect their parents and family members.

"Terimakasih Anda tidak mudik tahun ini. Terimakasih Anda melindungi orang tua dan sanak famili di kampung dari kesengsaraan wabah virus corona. Covid19.go.id"

This campaign really needs to work. Failure could be devastating, in particular for Java. 

I suppose it depends what the reaction is.from the mosques.  If they back the lockdown then people will stay away.

However we are seeing in Pakistan mosques staying open, with leaders saying now is the time they are needed most and that praying will help protect you.  And the exact same excuses used by churches in the USA to stay open.  


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I love a pint of beer but only down the pub.

 

Not had any alcoholic drink since St Patricks Day.

:kolobok_negative:

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451 deaths across the UK being reported today (not yet confirmed by DoHSC). Even with the data lag, that seems more encouraging. It is very similar to the same time 2 weeks ago when we were on the way up steeply. 

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2 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Germany reopens bookshops & car dealerships. It says everything about German mentality. Car Dealerships? Really essential.

Perhaps more of an indication of how much car manufacturing is worth for the wider German economy rather than individuals? Bit of a difficult balance I guess. I cant imagine they'll be too busy though.

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2 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Germany reopens bookshops & car dealerships. It says everything about German mentality. Car Dealerships? Really essential.

Car dealers don't just sell cars, they repair them. 


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2 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

I love a pint of beer but only down the pub.

 

Not had any alcoholic drink since St Patricks Day.

:kolobok_negative:

On this I feel your pain. I've been getting a couple of bottles from the local shop over the weekend, but it seems a bit pointless to be drinking beer at home. On the other hand, I am drinking less beer, which is probably not a bad thing.

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3 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

I suppose it depends what the reaction is.from the mosques.  If they back the lockdown then people will stay away.

However we are seeing in Pakistan mosques staying open, with leaders saying now is the time they are needed most and that praying will help protect you.  And the exact same excuses used by churches in the USA to stay open.  

I think I mentioned on another thread that in Dewsbury, the (Pakistani) Mosques highlighted a recent fatwa that stated attending prayers will not disadvantage anyone from progress to or within the afterlife. 

In Turkey the interpretation of Islam is usually more secular so people are following Government advice to stay away. 

The belief that mass praying would help was also adopted initially in Orthodox Israeli cities but of course they have been most affected and at one time were sealed off. 

 

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Things are getting bad here. I've given BBC Sounds such a bashing thst I'm reduced to listening to a BBC Local Radio programme "Yorkshire Brass". Yorkshire!  It's not as if they are any good at it!

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7 minutes ago, Niels said:

I think I mentioned on another thread that in Dewsbury, the (Pakistani) Mosques highlighted a recent fatwa that stated attending prayers will not disadvantage anyone from progress to or within the afterlife. 

In Turkey the interpretation of Islam is usually more secular so people are following Government advice to stay away. 

The belief that mass praying would help was also adopted initially in Orthodox Israeli cities but of course they have been most affected and at one time were sealed off. 

Oh definitely, in most parts of the world the various religions have been very sensible and followed government advice to stay at home.  I think there is a variation of the 'call to pray' which basically says pray at home.  

However, there are one or two who seem to feel that praying in a mosque or church will protect them better, the notable examples are the American evangelicals and big mosques in Pakistan (probably a few other places too).  They both appear to use the same reasoning and rational, god will protect us, praying will make you safer, etc.  

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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