coronavirus

[Northern Eel 1,466]

3 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

I love a pint of beer but only down the pub.

 

Not had any alcoholic drink since St Patricks Day.

Our local is doing takeouts of beer and food. The food is fine, the beer in the pub is great. Trudging across the village to the pub with my 4 pint milk carton is still a mildly amusing pastime, but the beer is dreadful when drunk at home, flat as a fart and without your mates there to talk rubbish to. 

We are engaging in weekly takeout of both to give the landlord a community hand, rather than actually needing to. Whilst in lockdown, I'd take a pot of tea before a swig of beer currently.

[Northern Eel 1,466]

1 hour ago, Moove said:

Perhaps more of an indication of how much car manufacturing is worth for the wider German economy rather than individuals? Bit of a difficult balance I guess. I cant imagine they'll be too busy though.

Putting the economy first? Off with their heads. 

[Bob8 6,312]

Quite remarkably, I seem to have managed to pick up an adenovirus. I will be treating it as something worse. 

[SSoutherner 1,920]

5 hours ago, Jasper said:

Sometimes it seems like a competition between the different news broadcasters on how they view things.  Over the weekend there was a news report on one of the main news channels about how hard the lock down is effecting dairy farmers, with an interview with a very upset lady farmer who runs a dairy farm, and showing video of her pouring milk down the drains as she can't sell it as demand for milk had dropped to it's lowest levels ever.  Next day, the other channel does a piece on milkmen and dairy farmers under lock down where the milkman says his turnover on doorstep deliveries has increased by a lot and he can't get enough milk, and the dairy farmer says he could do with doubling his heard as he is working flat out and can't keep up with demand for milk.  Two rival channels, two different reports.  Maybe it differs in different parts of the country?

Wonder if it depends on who they usually sell through as well. A lot of farmers have agreements with particular processors/dairies. Depending on whether the one you are contracted to usually sells retail or to commercial may be what affects demand for your milk

[Wolford6 2,109]

22 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

Wonder if it depends on who they usually sell through as well. A lot of farmers have agreements with particular processors/dairies. Depending on whether the one you are contracted to usually sells retail or to commercial may be what affects demand for your milk

I have a client who is a milk farmer. Her farm has treated some of the herd to cut off their current lactation cycle. Some cheese works have closed down, so they can't send any surplus there.

[Ullman 1,796]

23 hours ago, Padge said:

China doesn't just make them up, they have a committee meeting, pass the thoughts of the meeting to the 'government' and then get told what the figures are based on the figures they were given but adjusted for the 'truth'. It's a complicated process.

Reminds me of my 25 years in the NHS.

[Ullman 1,796]

3 hours ago, JohnM said:

Things are getting bad here. I've given BBC Sounds such a bashing thst I'm reduced to listening to a BBC Local Radio programme "Yorkshire Brass". Yorkshire!  It's not as if they are any good at it!

Is that the local radio version of "Money Matters"?

[graveyard johnny 1,785]

what was that American film called when the towns mayor was so concerned about the local economy he told everyone "its safe to go back in the water"

[Niels 1,226]

3 hours ago, Bob8 said:

Quite remarkably, I seem to have managed to pick up an adenovirus. I will be treating it as something worse. 

Take care Bob. Does it cause flu like symptoms?

[Bob8 6,312]

31 minutes ago, Niels said:

Take care Bob. Does it cause flu like symptoms?

We are asked to get tested if we have anything viral at the moment, so I am just back from having a swab to make sure it is not covid. I am pretty sure it is not; adenovirus, rhino virus something else, but nothing serious I am sure. Cold like, or just a cold even.

Anyway, I got there, was masked up and two medical students called Signe and Johanna swabbed the back of my throat and sent me on my way. I will get a result in three days, presumably telling me that I do not have covid-19.

Edited April 20 by Bob8

[Saintslass 3,801]

58 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

We are asked to get tested if we have anything viral at the moment, so I am just back from having a swab to make sure it is not covid. I am pretty sure it is not; adenovirus, rhino virus something else, but nothing serious I am sure. Cold like, or just a cold even.

Anyway, I got there, was masked up and two medical students called Signe and Johanna swabbed the back of my throat and sent me on my way. I will get a result in three days, presumably telling me that I do not have covid-19.

I hope you don't have it Bob.  

My brother has had it apparently (I say apparently because he wasn't tested but instead relied upon a 111 diagnosis).  We (as in the rest of the family) had no idea he was ill until my nephew told us that he was just getting out of self isolation.  It was a bit worrying not least because his son is actually shielding as he has a condition which requires medication that compromises his immune system.

[SSoutherner 1,920]

just found a friends elder sister has died of it

[Wholly Trinity 505]

The trend of new cases data appears to support the government's decision to continue lockdown measures for now.

The infamous R0 value seems to be around 1 for now, but needs to drop further to start reducing the number of new cases before measures can be relaxed a little (temporarily?).

I guess we'll need to keep an eye on what happens in Germany and Spain as their measures are relaxed.

 

[JohnM 6,838]

In my view, we need to excercise great care when looking at how other countries are acting. 

Population, population distribution,  demographics, population density, housing types, urban concentration, modes of transport, lockdown conditions and enforcement, infection reporting etc etc  all may differ, giving differing figures. Basing what we do here on those figures is fraught with problems and is beyond the understanding and anal  itical capability of our low intelligence media. 

[Robin Evans 3,435]

5 minutes ago, JohnM said:

In my view, we need to excercise great care when looking at how other countries are acting. 

Population, population distribution,  demographics, population density, housing types, urban concentration, modes of transport, lockdown conditions and enforcement, infection reporting etc etc  all may differ, giving differing figures. Basing what we do here on those figures is fraught with problems and is beyond the understanding and anal  itical capability of our low intelligence media. 

We have to collect data from across the world so we can pick it apart and leave the scientists to come up with a valid "best approach" that the govt can implement.....

Data is fluid at the moment. But that fluidity shouldn't impede the process. 

[fevtom 561]

The ONS stats for the week up to 10th April will be released this morning. It should give us an idea of how many more deaths we're seeing in the community that don't show up on the hospital figures. I'm sure the stats will be alarming and probably another record number of weekly deaths but we have to remember that they're a couple of weeks out of date.

 

[JohnM 6,838]

42 minutes ago, fevtom said:

The ONS stats for the week up to 10th April will be released this morning. It should give us an idea of how many more deaths we're seeing in the community that don't show up on the hospital figures. I'm sure the stats will be alarming and probably another record number of weekly deaths but we have to remember that they're a couple of weeks out of date.

 

And they include those where Covid 19 appears on the death certificate, not actually  those who have died from it. Important figures nevertheless, and as long as the recording basis does not change, important for comparisons and trends.

[JohnM 6,838]

1 hour ago, Robin Evans said:

We have to collect data from across the world so we can pick it apart and leave the scientists to come up with a valid "best approach" that the govt can implement.....

Data is fluid at thed7 moment. But that fluidity shouldn't impede the process. 

Understood. Hers a simple case where data may be used to make international comparisons that are then used to make or oppose policy. It is important to know how many people in France have been fined for breaching their lockdown compared with here, given that their lockdown is much more severe than here, their police force (we have a police service) don't rely on policing by consent, a much higher proportion of the population in urban centres live in apartments without gardens, whole population density is lower than here, distance between major centres is greater etc etc. 

Making such a simple comparison is complicated. I'm sure then, how difficult it may be on issues that really matter. Way beyond the comprehension of our pathetic media reporters. 

Edited April 21 by JohnM

[fevtom 561]

21 minutes ago, JohnM said:

And they include those where Covid 19 appears on the death certificate, not actually  those who have died from it. Important figures nevertheless, and as long as the recording basis does not change, important for comparisons and trends.

 

 Covid could well turn up on some death certificates but equally there are cases of patients dying of pneumonia in hospitals and tests not being able to isolate the infection (as we have seen false negatives are quite common with Covid-19.) Doctors can be confident that this is likely Covid due to the symptoms, imaging results and general prevalence of the infection or the fact they have had close contact with people who tested positive but unless they successfully isolate the organism they won't show up in the released hospital numbers (and rightly so because the stats we use refer only to patients who 100% test positive.) But it does mean we are as likely to be underestimating the number of deaths as we are to be overestimating.

I think the best estimate we're gong to get is comparing the number of weekly deaths with the average number but even that is going to have a margin of error.

[fevtom 561]

Total deaths for week 15: 18,516

Five Year Average: 10,520

Deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate up to the 10th April: 13,121 ( up from the 9,288 previously released)

[MattSantos 806]

Great comms out of Singapore.

Circuit Breaker restrictions extended another month to the 1st of June.

 

[Bleep1673 1,521]

Ok, I'm getting fed up with this Virus, I'm asking not nicely, can it please fluff off

Edited April 21 by Bleep1673

[JohnM 6,838]

1 hour ago, fevtom said:

 

 Covid could well turn up on some death certificates but equally there are cases of patients dying of pneumonia in hospitals and tests not being able to isolate the infection (as we have seen false negatives are quite common with Covid-19.) Doctors can be confident that this is likely Covid due to the symptoms, imaging results and general prevalence of the infection or the fact they have had close contact with people who tested positive but unless they successfully isolate the organism they won't show up in the released hospital numbers (and rightly so because the stats we use refer only to patients who 100% test positive.) But it does mean we are as likely to be underestimating the number of deaths as we are to be overestimating.

I think the best estimate we're gong to get is comparing the number of weekly deaths with the average number but even that is going to have a margin of error.

Quite so.  Day to day and week to week comparisons are best in my view, as long as the basis is not changed.

Who knows in the end what the  real figure will be?

[Bleep1673 1,521]

52 minutes ago, fevtom said:

Total deaths for week 15: 18,516

Five Year Average: 10,520

Deaths with Covid-19 on the death certificate up to the 10th April: 13,121 ( up from the 9,288 previously released)

Five year average for a Virus that's been around for less than 12 months? Fake news warning.

[JohnM 6,838]

About time, too!

Parent fined after child repeatedly broke Covid-19 rules

Local Democracy Reporting Service

A parent has been fined after their child “repeatedly breached” Covid-19 rules, Lincolnshire Police say. Officers said they had been forced to take action against the Boston parent after engaging and explaining failed to work. A spokesman for the police said: “We really do not want to have to enforce, but for everyone’s safety on a very few occasions we have no choice. “Thank you to all the thousands of young people and their families who are abiding by the rules in challenging times.” On Monday, the force said it had handed out more than 65 fines in total to those who have breached the coronavirus lockdown.