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5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

In a way, that's a bit reassuring, that we're not being fed a confident yes/no, but that if results are not conclusive, people are being recalled for another test. It suggests that scientific process is taking place, instead of politically-led optimism.

Either that or it means "we lost track of your test in the chaos, please try again" ?

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1 minute ago, Wholly Trinity said:

Either that or it means "we lost track of your test in the chaos, please try again" ?

Whilst I can see your point ? if I understand things correctly, the reality is that the test looks for 2 genes specific to the Covid-19 virus. If only one is detected the test is classified as 'inconclusive' and another test carried out.

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12 minutes ago, Wholly Trinity said:

Either that or it means "we lost track of your test in the chaos, please try again" ?

Even then, this response is better than "oh, it'll be all right; stop worrying and get back to work".

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3 hours ago, SSoutherner said:

As a bike rider - i have to say unless they took lids off and sat next to each other on benches - how ere they a danger to anyone (Inc themselves) 

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/coronavirus-impact-motorbikes/

I was out on 2 wheels today, and did about 140 miles across from home round the forest of Bowland and back. It's the first time out on the bike this year, however having done next to no travel at all, in the last two days I've also driven to fetch the wife from work and to the animal feed merchants in the last two days. Thoughts after this are:

Anywhere a car can be fit on a country road to park, it is. No evidence of lack of social distancing however. 

Lots of motorbikes about. Only one place where social gathering was an issue. 

Lots of of evedince of family walks. Great to see parents and kids out. 

Lots of couples of for walks. Is exercise on the increase? 

A handful of groups of people not distancing. Completely offset by people chatting across walls, fences, etc. with neighbours. Is social interaction increasing? 

There are issues with social distancing, and obvious risks. From what I've witnessed today however, is suggest overwhelming positives. 

 

 

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A question for our sceptical brethren on here.

If your chip pan or perhaps litter bin catches fire, do you bother putting it out? After all, it's not the great fire of London, it's probably gonna burn out with no harm done. 

Right? 

Or assuming someone in your house extinguishes the blaze, do you tell them they were fussing over nothing and your house is fine and the fire didn't do any real damage, so butt out. 

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9 hours ago, SSoutherner said:

As a bike rider - i have to say unless they took lids off and sat next to each other on benches - how ere they a danger to anyone (Inc themselves) 

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/coronavirus-impact-motorbikes/

Lids off stood right next to each other; on the middle of the local garage. Not a great idea and has annoyed the locals. 

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4 hours ago, Johnoco said:

A question for our sceptical brethren on here.

If your chip pan or perhaps litter bin catches fire, do you bother putting it out? After all, it's not the great fire of London, it's probably gonna burn out with no harm done. 

Right? 

Or assuming someone in your house extinguishes the blaze, do you tell them they were fussing over nothing and your house is fine and the fire didn't do any real damage, so butt out. 

A more apt analogy is:

If your Leeds-fan mate got thumped by an opposition fan, do you stop going to watch the Bulls?


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Korea having a normal

 


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Headline is that Italy will completely reopen on June 3rd.

Even this short article makes clear it's a little bit more complicated than that. (No large gatherings allowed at all for example.)

https://www.ft.com/content/967e7168-81a0-4a23-928a-a1440e512b5a


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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Headline is that Italy will completely reopen on June 3rd.

Even this short article makes clear it's a little bit more complicated than that. (No large gatherings allowed at all for example.)

https://www.ft.com/content/967e7168-81a0-4a23-928a-a1440e512b5a

Italy accept that they are taking a risk

“We are taking a calculated risk, aware that the contagion curve could rise again,” Conte told reporters Saturday in the courtyard of his official Rome residence. “We are taking this risk and we have to accept it, otherwise we could not restart. We cannot wait for a vaccine.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/italys-conte-says-taking-calculated-risk-in-easing-lockdown/ar-BB14bOlH?ocid=spartanntp

Meanwhile 'we' are hoping to be back to 'near normal' in the not too distant future

Boris Johnson has reportedly told MPs he hopes the UK can return to “near- normality” in July.

The PM said during a call to the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs he wants a fast-track relaxation of lockdown restrictions, according to The Sun.

However, he also is said to have insisted that he will only take "grandmother steps" and achieving the goal depends on the public sticking to lockdown rules.

The news comes as Mr Johnson, writing in Mail on Sunday, acknowledged frustration over the "complex" easing of England's coronavirus lockdown.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-hopes-of-near-normality-by-july-as-boris-johnson-accepts-frustration-over-lockdown/ar-BB146nco?ocid=spartanntp 

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16 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Italy accept that they are taking a risk

“We are taking a calculated risk, aware that the contagion curve could rise again,” Conte told reporters Saturday in the courtyard of his official Rome residence. “We are taking this risk and we have to accept it, otherwise we could not restart. We cannot wait for a vaccine.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/italys-conte-says-taking-calculated-risk-in-easing-lockdown/ar-BB14bOlH?ocid=spartanntp

Meanwhile 'we' are hoping to be back to 'near normal' in the not too distant future

Boris Johnson has reportedly told MPs he hopes the UK can return to “near- normality” in July.

The PM said during a call to the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs he wants a fast-track relaxation of lockdown restrictions, according to The Sun.

However, he also is said to have insisted that he will only take "grandmother steps" and achieving the goal depends on the public sticking to lockdown rules.

The news comes as Mr Johnson, writing in Mail on Sunday, acknowledged frustration over the "complex" easing of England's coronavirus lockdown.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-hopes-of-near-normality-by-july-as-boris-johnson-accepts-frustration-over-lockdown/ar-BB146nco?ocid=spartanntp 

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?


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23 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

Crucial point. You'd think that the level of easing of lockdown should be relative to the level of testing & tracking and tracing available on a consistent and measurable basis

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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

But the key question is, surely, whether they are as good as Germany and South Korea?  Isn't that the standard of pandemic superiority these days?

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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

TBH I have no idea but have seen no mention of a plan to use T and T or to up testing - certainly not in any of the reports about the planned unlocking. So far they have tested around 1/3rd more per capita than the UK (48k/million v 36k which equates to almost 500k more tests).

This has probably been posted before but demonstrates what mass testing, isolation and T and T can achieve https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/eradicated-coronavirus-mass-testing-covid-19-italy-vo 

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5 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

A more apt analogy is:

If your Leeds-fan mate got thumped by an opposition fan, do you stop going to watch the Bulls?

That’s not more apt. 
 

At all

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9 hours ago, Johnoco said:

A question for our sceptical brethren on here.

If your chip pan or perhaps litter bin catches fire, do you bother putting it out? After all, it's not the great fire of London, it's probably gonna burn out with no harm done. 

Right? 

Or assuming someone in your house extinguishes the blaze, do you tell them they were fussing over nothing and your house is fine and the fire didn't do any real damage, so butt out. 

With apologies for the rogue apostrophe.....

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2 hours ago, Johnoco said:

That’s not more apt. 
 

At all

Of course it is. Watching the Bulls is a matter of choice. The Government has chosen its choice ... Lockdown ... and, like it or not,  we all have to go along with it.

If you had a chip pan fire at home, that's an immediate personal emergency. You'd react the same if you were a man, woman, brexiteer, remainer, marxist or coronavirus -bearer.

I don't think Shadow would need to though; chip pans are only for the northern oiks.

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9 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Of course it is. Watching the Bulls is a matter of choice. The Government has chosen its choice ... Lockdown ... and, like it or not,  we all have to go along with it.

If you had a chip pan fire at home, that's an immediate personal emergency. You'd react the same if you were a man, woman, brexiteer, remainer, marxist or coronavirus -bearer.

I don't think Shadow would need to though; chip pans are only for the northern oiks.

The government chose to have coronavirus? 
I know you and a couple of others are desperate to argue that it doesn’t exist or bring up some comparison with crossing the road but ....Jeez

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Just now, Johnoco said:

The government chose to have coronavirus? 
 

Jeez

No, the government chose how we had to respond to coronavirus.


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Just now, Wolford6 said:

No, the government chose how we had to respond to coronavirus.

And you think they should have just said ‘crack on folks, nothing to see here’? 

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Sigh.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Under 100 deaths reported for England during the previous 24 hours.  Now, I know that that is just England and that it is the weekend and so the number will rise during the week but even so, when was the last time England reported a two figure Covid death outcome?  Must have been early March?

I suppose the real test will come in about two weeks when we will start to see in numbers whether the relaxation of last weekend has had an impact on hospital admissions but at the moment I am hoping we are coming out the other side, albeit very slowly.

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The total announced of 170 for the UK is 98 lower than last Sunday and the lowest total since the day after lockdown. Green shoots maybe?

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