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I was watching the 1989 Lancashire Cup Final on Youtube between Warrington and Oldham and was surprised to hear Oldham made the Final from the 2nd Division and beat the mighty Wigan 19-18 in the semi final!!!

What a great effort and they put up a decent fight in the final too. 

Ray Tennant was the ref in the final and disallowed a clear Oldham try.

 

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15 minutes ago, rlno1 said:

I was watching the 1989 Lancashire Cup Final on Youtube between Warrington and Oldham and was surprised to hear Oldham made the Final from the 2nd Division and beat the mighty Wigan 19-18 in the semi final!!!

What a great effort and they put up a decent fight in the final too. 

Ray Tennant was the ref in the final and disallowed a clear Oldham try.

Yes, and it was actually the second time in two years that Oldham had beaten Wigan in a cup tie ... they also won 10-8 in the first round of the 1987 Challenge Cup with a last minute try. Below are the two matches (1987 Challenge Cup followed by the 1989 Lancashire Cup) ...

 

 

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6 hours ago, rlno1 said:

I was watching the 1989 Lancashire Cup Final on Youtube between Warrington and Oldham and was surprised to hear Oldham made the Final from the 2nd Division and beat the mighty Wigan 19-18 in the semi final!!!

What a great effort and they put up a decent fight in the final too. 

Ray Tennant was the ref in the final and disallowed a clear Oldham try.

 

Oldham also had a remarkable 36-6 victory away at St Helens in the previous round also. It ended a run of 18 consecutive Lancashire Cup victories for Wigan going back to the 1984 Final v St Helens. 

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Second Division Premiership Final at Old Trafford, Featherstone v Oldham. Oldham 22 - 0 in front, Rovers then staged a brilliant fight back to lead 26 - 22, only for Oldham to nick it with a last minute converted try. Great game.

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16 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Second Division Premiership Final at Old Trafford, Featherstone v Oldham. Oldham 22 - 0 in front, Rovers then staged a brilliant fight back to lead 26 - 22, only for Oldham to nick it with a last minute converted try. Great game.

Remember it well what a great game.As you say 26-22 up with 4 min to go and Des Foy  who had already scored 2 tries accelerated through a gap in our defence and put the backing up Kevin Meadows in for the equalising try, the easy goal kick just scraped over the bar  What a Game.

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Paddy Kerwin has a middle name in Wigan. Fekin.


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Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007

Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king"

 

This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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It really is so sad. The sale of the stadium was really the last straw.  Couldn't afford to upgrade it. We were supposed to move to boundary park with the football on the promise of a new stadium.  It  never materialised. The old club went bust and the rest is, as they say, history. ?

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Are Oldham the last non-top flight club to win a major honour? I can only think of three non-top flight clubs getting to the semi’s of the cup in the Super League era (Toulouse, Hull KR and Halifax). 

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As a Leigh fan, always had a soft spot for Oldham. Always workmanlike teams and gutted when they signed John Henderson from us.

Let's not be too surprised here as 

Oldham was relegated the season before on 25 points finishing 4th bottom?

The SL expansionist would not sleep at the thought of that. Remember Leigh taking a couple of thousand for a relegation dogfight and amazingly put 50 past Oldham then do the double over Warrington on the last day of the season to stay up in 1988.

 

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10 hours ago, rlno1 said:

I was watching the 1989 Lancashire Cup Final on Youtube between Warrington and Oldham and was surprised to hear Oldham made the Final from the 2nd Division and beat the mighty Wigan 19-18 in the semi final!!!

What a great effort and they put up a decent fight in the final too. 

Ray Tennant was the ref in the final and disallowed a clear Oldham try.

 

Remember Oldham`s challenge cup run of 1990 as a second division side. They produced an extraordinary performance to beat Widnes away in the quarter when Widnes were one of the top two teams in the country, then came within a hair`s breadth against Warrington in a tight engrossing semi.Tony Barrow was an under-rated coach.

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2 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Second Division Premiership Final at Old Trafford, Featherstone v Oldham. Oldham 22 - 0 in front, Rovers then staged a brilliant fight back to lead 26 - 22, only for Oldham to nick it with a last minute converted try. Great game.

Not 100% certain, but think Robin Whitfield refereed this game. He was a play-on, unfussy, let `em get on with it, type of ref, which usually made for exciting games.

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24 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Not 100% certain, but think Robin Whitfield refereed this game. He was a play-on, unfussy, let `em get on with it, type of ref, which usually made for exciting games.

You are correct. Here are second half highlights of that match ...

 

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32 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Remember Oldham`s challenge cup run of 1990 as a second division side. They produced an extraordinary performance to beat Widnes away in the quarter when Widnes were one of the top two teams in the country, then came within a hair`s breadth against Warrington in a tight engrossing semi.Tony Barrow was an under-rated coach.

1990 was Oldham's year in more ways than one. If Oldham RL had won their Challenge Cup semi-final they would have been at Wembley on he same weekend as Oldham Athletic who were in the Footbal League Cup final while Oldham-based pop group Inspiral Carpets were at number 1 at the same time.

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2 hours ago, sentoffagain2 said:

Remember it well what a great game.As you say 26-22 up with 4 min to go and Des Foy  who had already scored 2 tries accelerated through a gap in our defence and put the backing up Kevin Meadows in for the equalising try, the easy goal kick just scraped over the bar  What a Game.

They were also involved in another such game two years later at Old Trafford when they were losing 8-29 to Hul KR during the second half and eventually won 30-29. Here is the full match plus Oldham's homecoming with the trophy .. just see how many would support Oldham if they had a good side- and this was only for a second division trophy.

As mentioned earlier, in 1990 Oldham RL had also got to the Challenge Cup semi-final and had won promotion into Division 1 while Oldham Athletic were in the Football League Cup Final; Oldham group inspiral carpets were number 1 in the charts and Oldham Celtics basketball team won the national championships.

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The Wigan side Oldham beat in that famous 4th Feb 1987 CC tie on a never to be forgotten night at  Watersheddings  is below , probably one of the great all time teams looking at the line up that went on to beat Manly in the World Club challenge at Central Park .

Paddy Kirwan's last minute try made him a legend  !  .........  just hope we can turn the corner and build again one day !

 

WiganlBacks:l 1. Steve Hampson, 2. Joe Lydon, 3. Ellery Hanley, 4. Dean Bell, 5. Henderson Gill, 6. Shaun Edwards, 7. Andy Gregory
WiganlForwards:l 8. Graeme West, 9. Martin Dermott, 10. Brian Case, 11. Ian Roberts, 12. Ian Potter, 13. Andy Goodway
WiganlSubs Used:l 14. David Stephenson (replaced Steve Hampson -70th Minute)
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33 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

You are correct. Here are second half highlights of that match ...

 

Still a great watch, despite that last try!

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2 hours ago, The Art of Hand and Foot said:

It really is so sad. The sale of the stadium was really the last straw.  Couldn't afford to upgrade it. We were supposed to move to boundary park with the football on the promise of a new stadium.  It  never materialised. The old club went bust and the rest is, as they say, history. ?

As we Oldham supporters know, the club, then in Super League, were promised a new gound by Oldham Council and therefore the ground at Watersheddings was sold for development. However, it has come to light since that the name of "Oldham" wasn't thought to be as marketable as others by the RFL (especially Maurice Lindsay and Gary Hetherington who ensured that the first ever Super League game was changed from the originally scheduled Paris v Oldham to one involving Paris v Sheffield). Then when Paris needed to win their last home game against Oldham in order to stay in the top flight they allowed the French team to play a reserve side in a midweek match at Bradford (where they lost 62-0) so they were fresh for the Oldham game .. which they won and thus went above Oldham in the table.

Yet even when Paris then disbanded just a couple of weeks later, the RFL changed their rules and instead of the scheduled one team being promoted, they decided to promote two and still relegated Oldham ... the reason being that they wanted Huddersfield in Super League (they were the team who had finished runners-up in the lower division) because they could be marketed as the birthplace of RL.

Therefore because of Oldham's relegation the local council decided not to build a new ground for them and therefore they were left homeless and eventually the club folded. The current Oldham club was then formed by some enthusiasts but without a ground, players or much financial backing ... hence where they are now.

Please remember the above if ever anyone says that clubs like Oldham don't deserve a place in the league.

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Watersheddings and Thrum Hall always my favourite away grounds great atmosphere and always a hard game  both now sadly gone but will live long in Rugby League memories? 

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2 minutes ago, Fartownfrontrow said:

Watersheddings and Thrum Hall always my favourite away grounds great atmosphere and always a hard game  both now sadly gone but will live long in Rugby League memories? 

Your old ground too.

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1 minute ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Your old ground too.

Pitch is still there at Fartown just need a euro millions role over win  then I could dream ?

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1 hour ago, RL does what Sky says said:

You are correct. Here are second half highlights of that match ...

 

Grateful for that. One probable reason why second div premiership finals tended to be good games was that promotion did not rest on it. Last game of the season, big stadium, most fans for the later game got there early, it was a great mix. 

In reference to your point about the style of play. When you see a game with a 5m offside rule, there`s at least as much space between the teams as nowadays. Defensive line speed, due to higher fitness levels today, is one factor, but the deeper attacking line back then is conspicuous.

Someone earlier gave a fashion plaudit to Oldham. Fev`s classic jersey looks just as good.

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53 minutes ago, Fartownfrontrow said:

Watersheddings and Thrum Hall always my favourite away grounds great atmosphere and always a hard game  both now sadly gone but will live long in Rugby League memories? 

Probably the two coldest grounds i have been to when the matches were played in winter.Odsal the third coldest.

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