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25 minutes ago, RayCee said:

I think the Denver Test was a breaking point for the NRL. It didn’t involve Australia and they had to release players because the RLIF had the power to organise the match and make it happen.

Since then, the plan has been to find a way to take over RL (including possibly SL too) and not be dictated to. The vision is the ARLC and the NRL should run the game, with a few media corporations to generate the revenue. I think it is believed the game will be better for it.

Derailing the WC became the mission to kickstart the take over. Australia's choosing not to attend the WC was not enough to sabotage the event. Getting the NZRL to do likewise was essential. Then the clubs persuading players not to attend was to be the final nail in the coffin. Get all three done and it’s game over for the WC.

I agree. They hated the fact that ultimately the RFL, with the support of the IRL won out on that (although the damage was already done). 

That game comes through in the comments from Shane Richardson. His solution is that England can play whenever they want without NRL players. This is them now trying to force that through. 

I really think it is so important to try an dget this tournament on. They can't be allowed to do this. 

And Lam is wrong, it absolutely is us and them. Them being the ARLC and NZRL and us being everyone else in RL. 

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1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Why bother in 2024 when there’s a comp in 2025

Combine the 2021 World Cup and 2025 World Cup and go big , call it ‘ World Cup 4046 ‘ 

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5 minutes ago, Jim from Oz said:

Is anyone sending them to Gould himself?

hopefully the RLWC committee can use this rank hypocrisy to convince the players to actually attend the World Cup

On the twitter thread he started.

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27 minutes ago, RayCee said:

I think the Denver Test was a breaking point for the NRL. It didn’t involve Australia and they had to release players because the RLIF had the power to organise the match and make it happen.

Since then, the plan has been to find a way to take over RL (including possibly SL too) and not be dictated to. The vision is the ARLC and the NRL should run the game, with a few media corporations to generate the revenue. I think it is believed the game will be better for it.

Derailing the WC became the mission to kickstart the take over. Australia's choosing not to attend the WC was not enough to sabotage the event. Getting the NZRL to do likewise was essential. Then the clubs persuading players not to attend was to be the final nail in the coffin. Get all three done and it’s game over for the WC.

I'd agree that was the end point for them.

Let's look at the Australian "roll of honour" over the last 5 years:

2016: Ended the 4 Nations in favour of 3 tests series and NRL run 9s tournament

2017: Ran the RLWC at a loss putting back development of RL across the globe

2018: Tried to sabotage the Denver test, resulting in the 2025 RLWC not happening in US/Canada

2019: Refused to play GB, despite begging for them to be brought back 

2020: Refused to play at all

2021: Trying to destroy a RLWC which would have brought £25m to the sport

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6 minutes ago, RayCee said:

I think the Denver Test was a breaking point for the NRL. It didn’t involve Australia and they had to release players because the RLIF had the power to organise the match and make it happen.

Since then, the plan has been to find a way to take over RL (including possibly SL too) and not be dictated to. The vision is the ARLC and the NRL should run the game, with a few media corporations to generate the revenue. I think it is believed the game will be better for it.

Derailing the WC became the mission to kickstart the take over. Australia's choosing not to attend the WC was not enough to sabotage the event. Getting the NZRL to do likewise was essential. Then the clubs persuading players not to attend was to be the final nail in the coffin. Get all three done and it’s game over for the WC.

I think you`ve probably pretty well summed it up in your first two paragraphs.

Phil Gould because he is not officially part of the ARLC has felt free to say, and unfortunately in a tactless and inflammatory manner, probably what a lot of them are thinking behind closed doors. Certainly the part about thinking the game will be better off for it.

However I think you`re a little off the mark in your third, I refuse to believe that had there been no covid we wouldn`t have seen both Kangaroo tours last year and Oz and NZ participating in the WC this year. 

The NRL now in a somewhat calculated fashion think that one World Cup ain`t going to solve the NH`s games` problems, it hasn`t in the past, why should it this time. And given the opportunity to miss it, for what they think they can sell as legitimate reasons, aren`t going to come.  And I can`t help but think of one very good posters remarks on this forum a few months ago, WC finishes in November, 2-3 month break, it`s forgotten and it`s back to normal in clubland and club land problems. 

As I said I think the Kangaroo tour and the WC would have gone ahead, but I also agree that given the opportunity, on a somewhat questionable pretext, to forego attending both, they have taken it and that has revealed their hand in regards to the short to medium term control of the international agenda.

NZ could well be more than an innocent bystander in this, the 70% increase in the SKY TV deal explicitly included the rights to all NZ Kiwi and NZ Ferns representative matches, the implication being, they are going to be showing a lot more of both under the new regime.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, DavidM said:

I think we should make a friendly gesture and invite the NRL to finish its season over here 

I’m sure we could find them a remote Covid free Scottish island to stay on,I believe Anthrax Island is open these days.

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2 hours ago, Damien said:

Ah so zero risk in bubbles in Australia but everyone is certain to get it in bubbles in the Uk:

 

 

To be fair to the NRL (and it pains me to say that!) the Qld government announced a snap lockdown today (because of six cases… yes…just six) and said no community or pro sport could be played. It’s not actually anything to do with the NRL. There’s no Covid in their bubble. And apparently they are talking about trying to play a triple header tomorrow - I hope the state government kibosh that idea as everyone is sick of the double standards when it comes to pro sport compared to everything else 

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7 minutes ago, DiH68 said:

To be fair to the NRL (and it pains me to say that!) the Qld government announced a snap lockdown today (because of six cases… yes…just six) and said no community or pro sport could be played. It’s not actually anything to do with the NRL. There’s no Covid in their bubble. And apparently they are talking about trying to play a triple header tomorrow - I hope the state government kibosh that idea as everyone is sick of the double standards when it comes to pro sport compared to everything else 

Yes,  but the point is there would probably be no Covid in the World Cup bubble either

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10 minutes ago, DiH68 said:

To be fair to the NRL (and it pains me to say that!) the Qld government announced a snap lockdown today (because of six cases… yes…just six) and said no community or pro sport could be played. It’s not actually anything to do with the NRL. There’s no Covid in their bubble. And apparently they are talking about trying to play a triple header tomorrow - I hope the state government kibosh that idea as everyone is sick of the double standards when it comes to pro sport compared to everything else 

Well my hope was short lived! All games to be played Sun/Mon, right in the middle of lockdown. No crowds obviously, but a lot of people are going to be seriously ###### off with the preferential treatment they keep getting compared to everyone else 

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3 minutes ago, DiH68 said:

Well my hope was short lived! All games to be played Sun/Mon, right in the middle of lockdown. No crowds obviously, but a lot of people are going to be seriously ###### off with the preferential treatment they keep getting compared to everyone else 

It's interesting the resentment that you describe.  I must admit, when we were under strict lockdown in the UK in the spring of 2020, it was when professional sport started up again (including the NRL) that game some relief from the boredom... surprised that the sport loving public of Australia resent the sports being played.

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8 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

It's interesting the resentment that you describe.  I must admit, when we were under strict lockdown in the UK in the spring of 2020, it was when professional sport started up again (including the NRL) that game some relief from the boredom... surprised that the sport loving public of Australia resent the sports being played.

A lot of its to do with bubbles and border closures. For instance, there were big calls for Qld to close the border to NSW when Sydney cases started spiking - they resisted until the day after all the NRL wives and families flew in to join the players in the Qld bubble, then slammed it shut. ‘Normal’ people are suffering big time through these lockdowns and border closures, yet the sports teams seem to be given so much preferential treatment. And we all know it’s because all the betting brings in a lot of money for the government…

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3 hours ago, Damien said:

Ah so zero risk in bubbles in Australia but everyone is certain to get it in bubbles in the Uk:

 

 

Our bubbles are better than your bubbles

We are experts at them ( pass us an ice cream once you've taken the tape off the windows )

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Apologies if this has already been posted but Woolf gives his take on the status of the Tongan lads now.  Positive story imo.

UK being 12 - 15 months ahead of Aus regarding controlling Covid (his words) is also another positive - basically, I would say, get double jabbed and it’s safer over here than Aus.

https://www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/tonga-committed-to-world-cup-but-elite-players-must-be-involved-kristian-woolf-3330202

PS:  are the RLWC offering covid jabs FOC to teams (pre) coming over?  Seems small outlay in the scheme of things.

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39 minutes ago, DiH68 said:

Well my hope was short lived! All games to be played Sun/Mon, right in the middle of lockdown. No crowds obviously, but a lot of people are going to be seriously ###### off with the preferential treatment they keep getting compared to everyone else 

Rather than feeling irritation at the "preferential treatment", won`t more Aussies instead be questioning the wisdom of snap lockdowns? Along with the continuing zero infections policy of the State Governments.

If today`s games had gone ahead as scheduled, what difference would that have made to controlling the spread of Covid that playing them 24 hours later will not?

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1 hour ago, DiH68 said:

To be fair to the NRL (and it pains me to say that!) the Qld government announced a snap lockdown today (because of six cases… yes…just six) and said no community or pro sport could be played. It’s not actually anything to do with the NRL. There’s no Covid in their bubble. And apparently they are talking about trying to play a triple header tomorrow - I hope the state government kibosh that idea as everyone is sick of the double standards when it comes to pro sport compared to everything else 

I'd be fair to the NRL if that fairness was reciprocal. It isn't and what the NRL have done and said is far from fair.

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1 hour ago, del capo said:

Our bubbles are better than your bubbles

We are experts at them ( pass us an ice cream once you've taken the tape off the windows )

Hilarious! I needed that.

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Very well said George King. He doesn't buy the NRL bs and echoes what people have said on here:

“The World Cup 100 per cent needs to go ahead,” he told Hull Live.

“We can’t just be led by Australia and New Zealand dominating international rugby league. There’s other nations.

“We can’t just cater for two nations just because their international hierarchy demands so. We’ve got to have a successful World Cup.

“Nearly every single sporting organisation relies on the international game to flourish in the lower ranks.

“It’s the same with rugby league. We’ve got to do exactly the same.”

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/george-king-says-show-must-5721879

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what the nrl has done here is ironically show the game can go on even in a lockdown state if its managed right- no excuses now needed for a wc no show

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did the bloke who invented the phrase "one hit wonder" invent anything else?

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The NRL have just shown how moronic they are, they have shown they are willing to allow their players to play in games in covid areas. So as long as the IRL are able to prove they can keep them as safe as they are in Queensland currently then the NRL can have no argument against the world Cup going ahead.

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