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This thread to me is almost like RL is. Everyone has an idea. What's best for the game. It actually riles me when #name established ex pro, current player, owner, etc# has a super dooper idea, THE IDEA, and everyone runs along with it. We can ridicule Oxley and Lindsay but at least the had an idea of where the game was heading. However when you read in the paper : "EX INTERNATIONAL SUGGESTS ONLY 36 DIVISIONS OF 1 CAN SAVE THE GAME" I feel like banging my head against a wall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please note that no ex international was interviewed for my post and it was indeed a sarcastic over exaggeration of what drivel we read constantly.

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On 01/09/2021 at 09:44, The storm said:

I sometimes look out of the window to see a lot of things that I initially think don't contribute to anything 

 

In your eyes the sky deal is everything 

In my eyes supporting clubs like Coventry, London skolars and Newcastle is essential 

 

I think I forgot Barrow off my list I will have to reedit 

Well said

You did list Barrow but missed North Wales And Sheffield

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14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

"When the rules of the competition dictate so" Damien, if they didn't some clubs most possibly wouldn't have speculated so much to earn a bonus.

Anyway what about my alternative structure based on finance?

That's just a lame excuse and very disingenuous, as is talk about funding v prize money. 

Of course its based on finance. The initial post that I replied to is all about finance. What Davy said and what he wants to achieve is based on finance. Indeed this entire restructure debate boils down to finance.

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3 minutes ago, Damien said:

That's just a lame excuse and very disingenuous, as is talk about funding v prize money. 

Of course its based on finance. The initial post that I replied to is all about finance. What Davy said and what he wants to achieve is based on finance. Indeed this entire restructure debate boils down to finance.

Yes but I restructured the way money HAS to be spent, hell of a lot different to SL clubs deciding what is the best course of action that just suits their needs.

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22 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

 "EX INTERNATIONAL SUGGESTS ONLY 36 DIVISIONS OF 1 CAN SAVE THE GAME" 

 

I'd go for that. Everyone's a winner.

Two up, two down?

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  If you went with the 2x10's it would be difficult on who misses out.Two from SL as it stands Leigh + another.Then my 8 would be Toulouse Fev Fax Bradford London Newcastle York and Widnes.However that would mean no side from Cumbria .Batley who have been a mid table Championship side consistently with a decent ground and good facilities.Sheffield who have never really pulled in the crowds in a city of 650 thousand.And Wales which should be an expansion area.

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Heard a rumour that there will be no funding for league 1 clubs in the challenge Cup next season. As I understand it they get around £3k per round currently. So next year clubs will have a £50k funding reduction, no travel grant (£8k) and no CC money. People can talk about sustainability but clubs who work on a modest and tight budget will no doubt struggle to continue considering there is no transition period.

A cynic might say that 20 clubs is the magical figure and that the aim is to reduce the number of clubs 

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22 minutes ago, sentoffagain2 said:

  If you went with the 2x10's it would be difficult on who misses out.Two from SL as it stands Leigh + another.Then my 8 would be Toulouse Fev Fax Bradford London Newcastle York and Widnes.However that would mean no side from Cumbria .Batley who have been a mid table Championship side consistently with a decent ground and good facilities.Sheffield who have never really pulled in the crowds in a city of 650 thousand.And Wales which should be an expansion area.

York again.

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23 hours ago, OriginalMrC said:

Heard a rumour that there will be no funding for league 1 clubs in the challenge Cup next season. As I understand it they get around £3k per round currently. So next year clubs will have a £50k funding reduction, no travel grant (£8k) and no CC money. People can talk about sustainability but clubs who work on a modest and tight budget will no doubt struggle to continue considering there is no transition period.

A cynic might say that 20 clubs is the magical figure and that the aim is to reduce the number of clubs 

 

Those clubs should pull out of the Challenge Cup for 2022. The RFL hasn't got a leg to stand on.

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Reading the Wigan fans forum there are some really interesting comments on the TV deals and restructuring. I was certainly not aware that the RFL were taking £10 million a year from the previous TV deal. Also the streaming elements and potential terrestrial TV coverage opens up loads of possibilities. From Lenegan:

The new deal means that we can actually stream some matches of our own and charge for them if we want. And we’ve also got 65 more matches left over. So, the idea is to stream some elsewhere if we can find another broadcaster. And secondly, to put some on terrestrial television because there’s no doubt that the BBC improves the eyeballs watching Rugby League over a period. So, the streaming part of the deal, which we’ll get nothing from for the next couple of years until we build it up, could be great for the future. So, there are some good things that come out of that.

Also as feared it seems that 2 x 10s will simply mean everyone playing each other 3 times. Lenegan again:

You’ve seen that relegation for this year stays exactly the same and 12 teams the next year, the idea of going up to 14 and down to 20 is so barmy that we can’t believe why anybody thought that was a good idea. But the idea of two leagues of 10, Super League and Championship / Super League Two, that’s in Wigan’s benefit to a certain extent, because you’ve only got 10 top teams. Alright, you might be playing everybody three times in the year, but the better quality of games.So, there’s a debate started now as to whether it’s 12, or 10. We haven’t really got an axe to grind either way, as far as that is concerned, we’ll go along with what is the most sensible best option. But a lot of it depends on how much money is available for the Super League teams, and how much is available for the Championship teams in order they can compete it and they come up, which may or may not happen. 

https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2021/09/03/fans-forum-the-first-hour/

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10 minutes ago, Damien said:

From Lenegan:

The new deal means that we can actually stream some matches of our own and charge for them if we want. And we’ve also got 65 more matches left over. So, the idea is to stream some elsewhere if we can find another broadcaster. And secondly, to put some on terrestrial television because there’s no doubt that the BBC improves the eyeballs watching Rugby League over a period. So, the streaming part of the deal, which we’ll get nothing from for the next couple of years until we build it up, could be great for the future. So, there are some good things that come out of that.

If that's true about streaming other games, that's potentially huge. I'd be very up for subscribing to a RL network, and SL on BBC will help get more eyes on the game.

Just need to make up for the shortfall in cash.

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On 02/09/2021 at 12:56, OriginalMrC said:

Heard a rumour that there will be no funding for league 1 clubs in the challenge Cup next season. As I understand it they get around £3k per round currently. So next year clubs will have a £50k funding reduction, no travel grant (£8k) and no CC money. People can talk about sustainability but clubs who work on a modest and tight budget will no doubt struggle to continue considering there is no transition period.

A cynic might say that 20 clubs is the magical figure and that the aim is to reduce the number of clubs 

 

Two league's of 10/12/14 doesn't really matter if the clubs in the two league's are fully sustainable, scrap the salary cap, make clubs find there level, any club who can't survive without £50k funding shouldn't be anywhere near a semi professional sport.

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13 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

If that's true about streaming other games, that's potentially huge. I'd be very up for subscribing to a RL network, and SL on BBC will help get more eyes on the game.

Just need to make up for the shortfall in cash.

It was made explicit in the Challenge Cup deal that the RFL would have control of the digital rights including, I think, streaming games not being shown by the BBC.

The Sky deal press release wasn't so clear. It talked about using digital more effectively and putting some games on Sky's digital platforms (specifically YouTube).

I'd be interested in knowing what the details are around showing non Sky Super League games.

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14 hours ago, Damien said:

"Alright, you might be playing everybody three times in the year, but the better quality of games.So, there’s a debate started now as to whether it’s 12, or 10."

That worries me because it doesn’t make any sense. 

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23 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

That worries me because it doesn’t make any sense. 

Yes it doesn't and I think it's a lazy assumption that never holds true. The biggest worry for me is that the quality of all games on average hasn't been great. In particular it is the quality of games between the top clubs concerns me far more than what happens when 1 plays 12. Big games between the big clubs used to be unmissable for me, now they certainly don't captivate me like they used to and if I see them I see them.

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

Yes it doesn't and I think it's a lazy assumption that never holds true. The biggest worry for me is that the quality of all games on average hasn't been great. In particular it is the quality of games between the top clubs concerns me far more than what happens when 1 plays 12. Big games between the big clubs used to be unmissable for me, now they certainly don't captivate me like they used to and if I see them I see them.

It certainly gives the assumption SL1 wants nothing really to do with SL2 and it is more of a cash grab and loading of repeat fixtures.

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20 hours ago, snoopdog said:

Two league's of 10/12/14 doesn't really matter if the clubs in the two league's are fully sustainable, scrap the salary cap, make clubs find there level, any club who can't survive without £50k funding shouldn't be anywhere near a semi professional sport.

By that logic any club that can't survive without central funding shouldn't be in the game. Take funding away from all clubs and plenty would not survive.

League 1 clubs are small clubs with tight finances, take £60k overnight from any small business and they might struggle. 

I do agree on scrapping the salary cap though. 

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On 02/09/2021 at 12:16, Damien said:

That's just a lame excuse and very disingenuous, as is talk about funding v prize money. 

Of course its based on finance. The initial post that I replied to is all about finance. What Davy said and what he wants to achieve is based on finance. Indeed this entire restructure debate boils down to finance.

That's all it boils down to

And who can grab the most of that pot without any consideration for any of the other teams, their future development and potential and the wider implications for the game 

 

I've read what Davy and Leneghan have said and their words and thought process is borderline disastrous for our sport 

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One thing I dont get about the 10 team SL1 concept is what happens if a well-funded Toulouse get up there and survive alongside Catalans? That's just 8 English teams in the competition.

Assume Hull and Hull KR are 2 of those, which is very likely, then that just leaves 6 other English clubs across the Elite competition. I don't see how that helps develop the game or drive up Sky subscriptions.

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1 hour ago, Whippet13 said:

One thing I dont get about the 10 team SL1 concept is what happens if a well-funded Toulouse get up there and survive alongside Catalans? That's just 8 English teams in the competition.

Assume Hull and Hull KR are 2 of those, which is very likely, then that just leaves 6 other English clubs across the Elite competition. I don't see how that helps develop the game or drive up Sky subscriptions.

Because it's not about that. It's about dividing up the reduced sky deal between less clubs. But they can't even agree on that 

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