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Just now, ShropshireBull said:

SL does need new teams who have the ability to grow the sport in areas with new markets and for new sponsors. Stands to reason that when one of those is staring the sport in the face, people will be exicted about it. 

I know, I’d like to see them in SL too (and other forward thinking clubs to replace or in addition to the bottom feeding dross that’s already there). TO have a long way to go though, particularly with their attendances. 

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13 minutes ago, binosh said:

 

They really do and you’re just trying to be hard work.

”Toulouse bring miles more to SL”

”Toulouse bring a major culture capital to SL”

”Toulouse will bring revenue & sponsorship to SL”

”Sky will love another french team in the league and derby with Catalan”

“How we can we sell the rights for more money by bringing in Leigh over a major french city”

 

Now stop being a #### and go and have look back through the hundreds of pages of comments about how Toulouse are going to revolutionise SL Europe and help get this massive TV deal that Sky are with holding because we don’t have a league full of major UK & European cities.

Yes but bar the last one all those statements are true so that´s as ridiculous as me quoting someone saying 2+2=4 as some sort of argument. 

 

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Just now, Eddie said:

I know, I’d like to see them in SL too (and other forward thinking clubs to replace or in addition to the bottom feeding dross that’s already there). TO have a long way to go though, particularly with their attendances. 

Chicken and egg but I´ve done that to death here. Let them play Leeds, Wigan and Catalan and we´re not going to be worrying about their attendances. Will be matching Huddersfield easy. 

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1 minute ago, Davo5 said:

Needing or wanting Toulouse in Superleague isn’t calling them the saviours though,now is it.

Shock.

Same culprits who claimed Toronto were the new saviours of SL and then Toulouse are all disappearing into the shadows or pulling the handbrakes up sharpish now that it looks like Toulouse will actually do it.

Same people with the who said we can’t put Leigh or Featherstone in because they’re small northern pit villages.

For the good of SL and it’s credibility it has to be Toulouse or York they’re so cultural and offer so much more to SL.

I can’t wait to see what they bring.

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16 minutes ago, binosh said:

Shock.

Same culprits who claimed Toronto were the new saviours of SL and then Toulouse are all disappearing into the shadows or pulling the handbrakes up sharpish now that it looks like Toulouse will actually do it.

Same people with the who said we can’t put Leigh or Featherstone in because they’re small northern pit villages.

For the good of SL and it’s credibility it has to be Toulouse or York they’re so cultural and offer so much more to SL.

I can’t wait to see what they bring.

If Toulouse do get promoted they will have earned that right unlike your team and if they actually manage to be competitive they will have brought more to Superleague than your team and again highlighting the positives they could bring to the comp if they get promoted is not hailing them as saviours.

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46 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Well I read the forum and yes they do. 

 

31 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Well if you’re being pedantic maybe people don’t use the expression saviours, but it’s the just of what people are saying. 

Right So posters don’t hail Toulouse as saviours of Superleague but highlighting the potential positives their promotion may bring does.

The complexities of a RL forum eh 

 

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3 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

Without going back over well-trodden old ground, the Toronto money problems were evident long before Covid and their business plan made no sense at all (hey look, we're building a big male grooming brand that will make everyone rich!)

Since you have gone back over old ground, no their money problems weren't evident at all. They were willing and able to spend more than the wage cap and requested to do so,  hardly the actions of a team struggling to pay wages. But then along came a little thing called covid....

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44 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

If Toulouse do get promoted they will have earned that right unlike your team and if they actually manage to be competitive they will have brought more to Superleague than your team and again highlighting the positives they could bring to the comp if they get promoted is not hailing them as saviours.

Even though they are my team, I’m not of an IQ that means I don’t appreciate other teams and the features & benefits they may bring to the top table.
 

What irks me is that people like yourself don’t understand that Leigh did SL a favour by agreeing to step in and fulfill a fixture list on less money than everyone else and agreed to be whipping boys for a season so not to jeopardise the Sky TV funding for the other SL teams, so on that respect they were “SL ready” ie full time, stadium that can take a TV camera and a crowd and not be embarrassing on TV etc etc.

Secondly, since that point more than a few posters, You, Man of Kent, Sir Kevin Sinfield just to name a few have all stated on multiple occasions that Leigh was the wrong choice, that York, Toulouse or London offer MORE to SL than Leigh, that the game was corrupt for putting Leigh in and it was all favouritism and back handlers and that the inclusion of Leigh is “insular” and it’s no wonder sky have reduced funding. So therefore, by default by promoting one of Toulouse, York or London by whichever format ( selection or promotion) is by you’re own definition going to make them saviours of SL and a huge new TV package will be forthcoming.

Its in writing, In black & white over the last 9 months with other posters confirming what I’m saying, go and re-visit it rather than sit here denying it and changing your tune now you’re called out on it like an Internet forum Boris Johnson.

 

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5 minutes ago, Hello said:

Since you have gone back over old ground, no their money problems weren't evident at all. They were willing and able to spend more than the wage cap and requested to do so,  hardly the actions of a team struggling to pay wages. But then along came a little thing called covid....

Yep I'm sure they signed SBW to show off around the Arndale Centre on a wet Wednesday afternoon.

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3 minutes ago, binosh said:

Even though they are my team, I’m not of an IQ that means I don’t appreciate other teams and the features & benefits they may bring to the top table.
 

What irks me is that people like yourself don’t understand that Leigh did SL a favour by agreeing to step in and fulfill a fixture list on less money than everyone else and agreed to be whipping boys for a season so not to jeopardise the Sky TV funding for the other SL teams, so on that respect they were “SL ready” ie full time, stadium that can take a TV camera and a crowd and not be embarrassing on TV etc etc.

Secondly, since that point more than a few posters, You, Man of Kent, Sir Kevin Sinfield just to name a few have all stated on multiple occasions that Leigh was the wrong choice, that York, Toulouse or London offer MORE to SL than Leigh, that the game was corrupt for putting Leigh in and it was all favouritism and back handlers and that the inclusion of Leigh is “insular” and it’s no wonder sky have reduced funding. So therefore, by default by promoting one of Toulouse, York or London by whichever format ( selection or promotion) is by you’re own definition going to make them saviours of SL and a huge new TV package will be forthcoming.

Its in worsting. In black & white over the last 9 months, go and re-visit it rather than sit here denying it and changing your time now you’re called out on it like an Internet forum Boris Johnson.

 

Leigh were the right choice. Only because the terms were you get 60% of the rest, you are on the M62, you will happily take the odds of losing every game and be relegated in the first year (no protection).

It was the terms that were wrong not the club who got chosen. They happily found a gambling-type owner who may reappear on Judge Rinder if Leigh are relegated on percentages.

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11 minutes ago, binosh said:

Even though they are my team, I’m not of an IQ that means I don’t appreciate other teams and the features & benefits they may bring to the top table.
 

What irks me is that people like yourself don’t understand that Leigh did SL a favour by agreeing to step in and fulfill a fixture list on less money than everyone else and agreed to be whipping boys for a season so not to jeopardise the Sky TV funding for the other SL teams, so on that respect they were “SL ready” ie full time, stadium that can take a TV camera and a crowd and not be embarrassing on TV etc etc.

Secondly, since that point more than a few posters, You, Man of Kent, Sir Kevin Sinfield just to name a few have all stated on multiple occasions that Leigh was the wrong choice, that York, Toulouse or London offer MORE to SL than Leigh, that the game was corrupt for putting Leigh in and it was all favouritism and back handlers and that the inclusion of Leigh is “insular” and it’s no wonder sky have reduced funding. So therefore, by default by promoting one of Toulouse, York or London by whichever format ( selection or promotion) is by you’re own definition going to make them saviours of SL and a huge new TV package will be forthcoming.

Its in writing, In black & white over the last 9 months with other posters confirming what I’m saying, go and re-visit it rather than sit here denying it and changing your tune now you’re called out on it like an Internet forum Boris Johnson.

 

You really do need to get out more 😂

Leigh didn’t do anyone any favours,your owners ego got the better of him and he then pinned his hopes on the removal of relegation this year which has backfired.

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1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said:

Chicken and egg but I´ve done that to death here. Let them play Leeds, Wigan and Catalan and we´re not going to be worrying about their attendances. Will be matching Huddersfield easy. 

Wow, matching Huddersfield!

Now that is not very good for a big cosmopolitan city, more sponsers than Macmillans, and multiple millionaire investors is it?

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17 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Yep I'm sure they signed SBW to show off around the Arndale Centre on a wet Wednesday afternoon.

No disrespect but he may have been more use doing that other than playing, once very good YES, one of the greats MOST PROBABLY, his performances for Toronto not much to write home about.

Now if you tell me he was brought in for publicity and exposure then yes show him around the Arndale Centre on a wet Wednesday afternoon.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

No disrespect but he may have been more use doing that other than playing, once very good YES, one of the greats MOST PROBABLY, his performances for Toronto not much to write home about.

Now if you tell me he was brought in for publicity and exposure then yes show him around the Arndale Centre on a wet Wednesday afternoon.

For a North American franchise he was brought in for exactly that. PR and commercial engagement and fundraising. 

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I don't buy the bit about Toulouse attendances knowing the French they will turn up for a major elite league en mass (Super League) Toulouse currently attracting 1000/1500/2000 + whatever will have no bearing on it/

x111 Catalan were averaging around 500 the year before SL only time they went up was for the local derby v Pia then around 2000 (Although one New Year it was played at USAP and attracted 7000 which was a one off promotion) x111 Catalan were always a bigger draw playing away due to the general French dislike of the French Catalans LOL:)

Toulouse will average 10000 easily and as for the match v Catalan Dragons at home it will be a rare SL SELL OUT 🙂

 

Paul

 

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1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

I don't buy the bit about Toulouse attendances knowing the French they will turn up for a major elite league en mass (Super League) Toulouse currently attracting 1000/1500/2000 + whatever will have no bearing on it/

x111 Catalan were averaging around 500 the year before SL only time they went up was for the local derby v Pia then around 2000 (Although one New Year it was played at USAP and attracted 7000 which was a one off promotion) x111 Catalan were always a bigger draw playing away due to the general French dislike of the French Catalans LOL:)

Toulouse will average 10000 easily and as for the match v Catalan Dragons at home it will be a rare SL SELL OUT 🙂

 

Paul

 

It will be closer to 5000 than 10,000 average (even including game vs Dragons. Happily bet a pint on that. Still 5000 would be a good start. 

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1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

I don't buy the bit about Toulouse attendances knowing the French they will turn up for a major elite league en mass (Super League) Toulouse currently attracting 1000/1500/2000 + whatever will have no bearing on it/

x111 Catalan were averaging around 500 the year before SL only time they went up was for the local derby v Pia then around 2000 (Although one New Year it was played at USAP and attracted 7000 which was a one off promotion) x111 Catalan were always a bigger draw playing away due to the general French dislike of the French Catalans LOL:)

Toulouse will average 10000 easily and as for the match v Catalan Dragons at home it will be a rare SL SELL OUT 🙂

 

Paul

 

You seriously think they’d average 10k in their first season in SL? If that was true it would be fantastic, though I’m not holding my breath despite your far superior knowledge of France. 

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20 minutes ago, Eddie said:

You seriously think they’d average 10k in their first season in SL? If that was true it would be fantastic, though I’m not holding my breath despite your far superior knowledge of France. 

Nobody expected the Dragons to draw any more than 3/4000 in their first season the lowest crowd from memory was around 4500 v Hull FC which had to be moved to Narbonne right in the middle of the summer (I remember it well as I hosted a pre match lunch for Hull FC) + there was also a match in Canet however the gate was marked well down due to the official limit imposed on the club (James Graham had a blinder that night remember that as well as I took a friend from Argentina) Never take an Argie to Jacques Jorda place for a steak for us its heaven for them --------:(

Perpignan has one of the highest unemployment figures in France and the Dragons still do brilliantly well, Toulouse is a different kettle of fish if they enter SL there will sure as be some big signings and  financially its like comparing (No disrespect here Castleford with somewhere like Bristol)

It will rock mark my word and they damm well deserve it no-one has ever put in so many hard yards as Toulouse:)

 

Paul

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3 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Nobody expected the Dragons to draw any more than 3/4000 in their first season the lowest crowd from memory was around 4500 v Hull FC which had to be moved to Narbonne right in the middle of the summer (I remember it well as I hosted a pre match lunch for Hull FC)

Perpignan has one of the highest unemployment figures in France and the Dragons still do brilliantly well, Toulouse is a different kettle of fish if they enter SL there will sure as be some big signings and  financially its like comparing (No disrespect here Castleford with somewhere like Bristol)

It will rock mark my word and they damm well deserve it no-one has ever put in so many hard yards as Toulouse:)

 

Paul

I hope you’re right 👍

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Just now, Eddie said:

I hope you’re right 👍

So do I LOL:) 

Only way it wont work so well is with a s--t team and the chance of that is ZERO:)

The French are brilliant (Sponsor wise) in putting their hands in their pockets and Toulouse have some serious big hitters out there in the wings who over the last 20 years have given the club some petty cash with a promise of some serious Wonka if they made SL:)

Paul

 

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6 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Nobody expected the Dragons to draw any more than 3/4000 in their first season the lowest crowd from memory was around 4500 v Hull FC which had to be moved to Narbonne right in the middle of the summer (I remember it well as I hosted a pre match lunch for Hull FC) + there was also a match in Canet however the gate was marked well down due to the official limit imposed on the club (James Graham had a blinder that night remember that as well as I took a friend from Argentina) Never take an Argie to Jacques Jorda place for a steak for us its heaven for them --------:(

Perpignan has one of the highest unemployment figures in France and the Dragons still do brilliantly well, Toulouse is a different kettle of fish if they enter SL there will sure as be some big signings and  financially its like comparing (No disrespect here Castleford with somewhere like Bristol)

It will rock mark my word and they damm well deserve it no-one has ever put in so many hard yards as Toulouse:)

 

Paul

I don´t know if I can handle this level of optimism. If they get 10,000 first game and average over 5 k first season I´ll be buzzing. Anything above this is a bonus. 

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4 hours ago, binosh said:

Shock.

Same culprits who claimed Toronto were the new saviours of SL and then Toulouse are all disappearing into the shadows or pulling the handbrakes up sharpish now that it looks like Toulouse will actually do it.

Same people with the who said we can’t put Leigh or Featherstone in because they’re small northern pit villages.

For the good of SL and it’s credibility it has to be Toulouse or York they’re so cultural and offer so much more to SL.

I can’t wait to see what they bring.

They suggest those clubs because it'll be a nice place to visit as an away fan 

But " it's not about away fans " is often used as a criticism 

Crazy double standards 

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3 hours ago, Hello said:

Since you have gone back over old ground, no their money problems weren't evident at all. They were willing and able to spend more than the wage cap and requested to do so,  hardly the actions of a team struggling to pay wages. But then along came a little thing called covid....

I think some of their Creditors might have disagreed.

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