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Fri 10 Sept: SL: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos KO 19:45 (TV)


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Some people seem to have misunderstood my point.

Winning by any means isn't what supporters tend to crave, except for those that have been starved of success.

Supporters want to be entertained, they want to see their players show how skilful they are.

Wayne at Wigan was pushed out not because he was losing, but because he was winning in a boring style, the natives got restless.

Teams that are constant winners don't have the novelty of having overjoyed supporters because the novelty just being happy to be at the top. Teams at the top have to put on a show or they are in danger of just becoming a bit of going through the grind sort of winners.

The top teams should be showing flair, they should be the leading entertainment show. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Padge said:

Because they ( the supporters )crow about being "the entertainers", they had the opportunity to entertain and Wolfe decided it was lets play like school kids and give it to the big lad.

 

Can't tell whether you're trolling or just haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years. Aside from under Holbrook (particularly his first full season) it's been a while since I've heard Saints fans describe our own team as 'the entertainers'.

There was absolutely nothing entertaining about Saints under Cunningham, Simmons, Potter, Brown (GF win aside, loved that). Even Anderson gets criticised on entertainment value by some these days.

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28 minutes ago, Magic Superbeetle said:

You must of missed Saints missing their first choice half backs as well then? I think I saw Leeds were missing 8? Saints were missing 5, so it’s hardly like they were worlds apparent from a missing players perspective.

Was disappointed not to see Dan Norman tonight. Would have been a good chance to see what he’s about whilst we had 2 props out.

Also we were missing more than 8!

Walker

Hurrell

Lui

Gale

Sutcliffe

Mclelland

Mellor

Oledski

Tetevano

Donaldson

king V

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Anyway, all the match thread trolling aside, it was what it was.

A semi-depleted Saints side disrupted during the game coming up against a very depleted Leeds team that showed a poor attitude in defence (case in point being Welsby's try where it was less about poor defensive skill and more about not even being interested in making a tackle or working hard as a unit).

It's always nice putting 40 on Leeds regardless of the team out, but I think getting the last 10 minutes of the Catalans game out of our system is the main thing really.

Being dominant for large periods against Warrington and Catalans, and showing we're capable of putting plenty of points on the board (something we've rarely done under Woolf even when comfortable), is a pretty good position to be in at this point in the season.

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5 minutes ago, Moove said:

Anyway, all the match thread trolling aside, it was what it was.

A semi-depleted Saints side disrupted during the game coming up against a very depleted Leeds team that showed a poor attitude in defence (case in point being Welsby's try where it was less about poor defensive skill and more about not even being interested in making a tackle or working hard as a unit).

It's always nice putting 40 on Leeds regardless of the team out, but I think getting the last 10 minutes of the Catalans game out of our system is the main thing really.

Being dominant for large periods against Warrington and Catalans, and showing we're capable of putting plenty of points on the board (something we've rarely done under Woolf even when comfortable), is a pretty good position to be in at this point in the season.

I thought Saints were excellent to be fair, it was clear from the kick they were up for it.

 

oh and the trolling on the match threads is getting very very tedious isn’t it

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Dominant performance by Saints. Not the most exciting spectacle, but that happens sometimes. Walmsley was immense. Must have been inspired by James Graham with that chasing back moment. I thought Myler was good early on. He made some decent catches. Good finishes by Grace and Knowles, although I suspect Jones-Buchanan won't be happy with the defensive side of things.

I heard Annies song before the match. I know Sheffield United have their 'night out in Sheffield' version - do Saints have a similar thing?

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3 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

I heard Annies song before the match. I know Sheffield United have their 'night out in Sheffield' version - do Saints have a similar thing?

Impressed you've managed never to hear that before !

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I did wonder what the hell Wells was on about pre game predicting a Leeds win or a Saints wobble. This result was almost inevitable although some Leeds players didn't help themselves.

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5 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

Dominant performance by Saints. Not the most exciting spectacle, but that happens sometimes. Walmsley was immense. Must have been inspired by James Graham with that chasing back moment. I thought Myler was good early on. He made some decent catches. Good finishes by Grace and Knowles, although I suspect Jones-Buchanan won't be happy with the defensive side of things.

I heard Annies song before the match. I know Sheffield United have their 'night out in Sheffield' version - do Saints have a similar thing?

Saints localised version with different lyrics has been around for a long long time mate.

They might not be to everyone’s tastes!

And you’ll be asking what a split, fish and curry is next.

 

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15 minutes ago, M j M said:

BTW the Chuckle Brothers bantering about chocolate and crisps demonstrated in a single moment why there needs to be a complete clear out of the Sky commentary team. 

I tend to find there’s little value added by most commentators in broadcasting these days and the old style rules about only speaking to add something have long gone.

This I think is true of other sports as well as Sky’s Super League so increasingly I just filter out the commentary mentally and try to form my own opinion where possible relying only on the commentary to fill the odd gap in knowledge on the events unfolding.

I think as Sky’s production team, like most, will be a family type affair, I think it’s unlikely there will too much radical change.  Your best hope of that is if the secondary rights go to a broadcaster who decides they’re really going to present their ten games in a different way to Sky and BBC.

I personally hope someone gets the coverage who can do for us what Channel 4 did for the NFL in the 1980s  and bring the game to a wider audience.

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5 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

Love Wigan fans saying Walmsley’s performance was unimpressive. It’s been so long since they saw a prop they don’t know what one looks like anymore.

Wrong,we see props every week,there just not ours.

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2 hours ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I tend to find there’s little value added by most commentators in broadcasting these days and the old style rules about only speaking to add something have long gone.

This I think is true of other sports as well as Sky’s Super League so increasingly I just filter out the commentary mentally and try to form my own opinion where possible relying only on the commentary to fill the odd gap in knowledge on the events unfolding.

I think as Sky’s production team, like most, will be a family type affair, I think it’s unlikely there will too much radical change.  Your best hope of that is if the secondary rights go to a broadcaster who decides they’re really going to present their ten games in a different way to Sky and BBC.

I personally hope someone gets the coverage who can do for us what Channel 4 did for the NFL in the 1980s  and bring the game to a wider audience.

What  - use the dangerous brothers to present?

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8 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

I heard Annies song before the match. I know Sheffield United have their 'night out in Sheffield' version - do Saints have a similar thing?

"You light up my senses

Like a gallon of Greenalls,

Like a kebab from Geno's,

Like a good sniff of glue,

Like a night out at Martine's,

Like a split, fish and curry,

Ohhhh St Helens rugby,

Come thrill me again."

Apparently it's been around since 1997 so I'm very impressed you haven't heard it before!

7 hours ago, FearTheVee said:

Love Wigan fans saying Walmsley’s performance was unimpressive. It’s been so long since they saw a prop they don’t know what one looks like anymore.

4 clean breaks (as many as the other 16 Saints players combined), 13 tackle busts and 23 carries for 275m is some performance.

Apparently he won the Man of the Match vote with 81% which is the most dominant poll of all time. I'd love to know what the other 19% were watching!

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10 hours ago, Moove said:

Can't tell whether you're trolling or just haven't been paying attention for the last 15 years. Aside from under Holbrook (particularly his first full season) it's been a while since I've heard Saints fans describe our own team as 'the entertainers'.

There was absolutely nothing entertaining about Saints under Cunningham, Simmons, Potter, Brown (GF win aside, loved that). Even Anderson gets criticised on entertainment value by some these days.

I disagree they were very entertaining in the 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 Grand Finals 😉

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12 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I will just echo John's words from his post on the 7th of August... the trolling of match threads is getting a little tedious. 

It's all threads on the forum these days.

Quite a few on here... remind me of a Robin Williams line in Good Morning  Veitnam.

 

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On 10/09/2021 at 21:04, sweaty craiq said:

Shocking atmosphere, is it being played in a morgue? Have Leeds taken any fans

There was a good atmosphere last night, the weather was lovely and Saints won.  
Which meant the majority of fan’s went home happy 🙂.

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