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It isn't a matter of 'sponsors", it is the quality and diversity of sponsors.

Quality = company size and standing, preferably international.

Diversify = Moving away from betting/gaming type sponsors.

When people talk of new sponsors they need to be clear what they talking about, aiming for.

 

As far as who gets promoted as long as both teams meet all the requirements laid down to operate in the division they are aiming for it comes down to the result. If either team has any reason that they know of as to why they wouldn't meet any requirements they should have already opened up a dialogue about what they will do about it and if they can't fix it be honest and say they cannot take up the opportunity.

 

 

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Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007

Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king"

 

This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits.

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10 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

Never said it was but it’s definitely better than the 2 dilapidated grounds of their 2 nearest Superleague neighbours.

No idea but they hardly packed them in yesterday and they might struggle if they are getting battered every week.

It was a wet and miserable night and it was on TV. I rarely miss a game and if I hadn’t advance bought my ticket, I wouldn’t have bothered going out. It was foul.

It was also a shared gate. I’d be amazed if there weren’t at least 1000 more than the official figure. Every club at our level seems to under declare in such games.

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8 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

It was a wet and miserable night and it was on TV. I rarely miss a game and if I hadn’t advance bought my ticket, I wouldn’t have bothered going out. It was foul.

It was also a shared gate. I’d be amazed if there weren’t at least 1000 more than the official figure. Every club at our level seems to under declare in such games.

What was the official figure DS?

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1 hour ago, Dallas Mead said:

Please.  Good God in heaven don’t make it Featherstone.  Another small pit town in Yorkshire being in the top league could just about kill the concept of the “Super League” 😶 it’s on life support as it is….we need something different or we’re goosed.

There hasn't been a Pit in Featherstone since 1985, keep up.

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2 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

If we win on Sunday we deserve to be in, as do Toulouse if they win. Why do you seem to have a problem with that? Surely it is what Sport is all about.

Because it’s not what the sport needs, another small Yorkshire club in the top league.  Literally the last thing it needs actually, 3 SL clubs within a 10 mile radius is utter madness.   2 French clubs in SL meanwhile will be awesome.  Try something new to actually spread and grow the game.

Please just win Toulouse……🙏

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4 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Because it’s not what the sport needs, another small Yorkshire club in the top league.  Literally the last thing it needs actually, 3 SL clubs within a 10 mile radius is utter madness.   2 French clubs in SL meanwhile will be awesome.  Try something new to actually spread and grow the game.

Please just win Toulouse……🙏

Maybe your prayers will be answered and Toulouse will be the saviours of Rugby League.

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13 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Because it’s not what the sport needs, another small Yorkshire club in the top league.  Literally the last thing it needs actually, 3 SL clubs within a 10 mile radius is utter madness.   2 French clubs in SL meanwhile will be awesome.  Try something new to actually spread and grow the game.

Please just win Toulouse……🙏

Be careful what you wish for. Many said that when Toronto played Featherstone 2 years ago.

 

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43 minutes ago, Dallas Mead said:

Because it’s not what the sport needs, another small Yorkshire club in the top league.  Literally the last thing it needs actually, 3 SL clubs within a 10 mile radius is utter madness.   2 French clubs in SL meanwhile will be awesome.  Try something new to actually spread and grow the game.

Please just win Toulouse……🙏

Point of order:

TOXIII in Super League is not “growing the game”. You do realise they have been in existence for 84 years?

They’re a great side and will fully deserve their place if they beat Rovers. But let’s not kid ourselves that this is pushing the frontiers of expansion.

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3 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

The big games for Leeds are against the likes of Saints, Warrington and Wigan not against teams like Wakefield and Castleford. Some people put far too much emphasis on playing clubs within a close proximity, the reality is it adds very little to the match day occasion.

Like I said, snob.

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10 hours ago, Scubby said:

The game at the top should technically have grown way beyond Featherstone many years ago. However, it failed to drive up standards and income and also expand its footprint.

It is not Featherstone's fault the game has failed to capitalise and is now contracting. They are playing to the current rules and standards which are flakey to say the least.

So the game is contracting is it.

Catalan topped the table and played infront of a sellout home crowd.

Toulouse 80mins away from SL and Newcastle going FT.

Hull KR and Barrow worthy nods for their marketing and increased support.

The drop in TV money is more to do with covid and the lack of competition for the rights. Lets remember SKY lost the rights to the NRL and the championship and basically outpriced the competition until they went away and then dropped the price once they had the monopoly again.

The only negative is the manchester region and i think the RFL shot themselves in the foot by turning away the team that played out of the ethiad campus.

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20 minutes ago, David Shepherd said:

Point of order:

TOXIII in Super League is not “growing the game”. You do realise they have been in existence for 84 years?

They’re a great side and will fully deserve their place if they beat Rovers. But let’s not kid ourselves that this is pushing the frontiers of expansion.

Disagree with that.

Tolouse in SL is growth. Its turning a semi pro team into a pro environment. Its having a pro set up with a pro academy. 

The GROWTH of moving to a bigger stadium accomodating new fans.

The GROWTH of new sponsors bringing money to the team.

The GROWTH of a new player pool that did not feed into SL.

The GROWTH of the international game. France want to hold a world cup on their own. This is huge for the global game.

Growth is not just playing RL in new areas but also growing what you alreay have.

For example its ok planting seedlings in a new area but you need to water the areas you have to grow them into forests!

 

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6 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

Well that's because many of the teams that go up aren't good enough, and come straight back down

Having two teams go up and then come straight back down isn't much of an improvement!

This is the real problem with P&R at the moment, not who may or may not earn their promotion. Pretty much any team that comes up is on a hiding to nothing because they exist in a state of uncertainty that makes it a nightmare to recruit from. Combine that with the fact that promotion is decided through the result of one game at the very end of the season means clubs don't have a chance to properly prepare to be in the top flight. 

Having such a pitifully low cap is the antithesis to P&R and serves only to protect clubs in the bottom third of SL from ambitious clubs in the championship.

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English fans seem to still cling on to sport having some innate quality where if you're good enough at it then there is no limit to where you (or your team) could end up.

The problem is that the real world that can be true of individuals but not really for teams. 

Sport is now business. Not "like" a business. Sport IS a business. 

If you don't check a lot of boxes you are going to be outcompeted. Luckily for teams like Featherstone there are very few boxes being checked in the English game. 

If you were sitting down and doing a business proposal for Featherstone or Toulouse which one would come out on top? Where would the existing teams come out? 

The traditionalist's fairytale that X village should be in because their players are skilled enough doesn't hold weight today.

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51 minutes ago, Pulga said:

English fans seem to still cling on to sport having some innate quality where if you're good enough at it then there is no limit to where you (or your team) could end up.

The problem is that the real world that can be true of individuals but not really for teams. 

Sport is now business. Not "like" a business. Sport IS a business. 

If you don't check a lot of boxes you are going to be outcompeted. Luckily for teams like Featherstone there are very few boxes being checked in the English game. 

If you were sitting down and doing a business proposal for Featherstone or Toulouse which one would come out on top? Where would the existing teams come out? 

The traditionalist's fairytale that X village should be in because their players are skilled enough doesn't hold weight today.

You would have said the same comparing Toronto and Featherstone though. How did that end? 

Additionally it is certainly not only England that encourages meritocracy in sport.

Spezia in Serie A and Furth in the Bundesliga are very small teams that have been promoted this year.

In Sweden local immigrant teams recently formed such as Assyria are in the allsvenska first division competing against big city teams. 

Today a very small German trainer won the Arc de Triomphe at 80/1, beating all the well funded top trainers. 

Smaller sides have found ways of competing against those with greater resources. The most successful model globally is for teams to buy players cheap and then sell them on at peak selling potential. 

Both Toulouse and Featherstone are probably very well run, or they wouldn't have made the final. Therefore it is perfect that the winner will be decided on the field.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Niels said:

You would have said the same comparing Toronto and Featherstone though. How did that end? 

Additionally it is certainly not only England that encourages meritocracy in sport.

Spezia in Serie A and Furth in the Bundesliga are very small teams that have been promoted this year.

In Sweden local immigrant teams recently formed such as Assyria are in the allsvenska first division competing against big city teams. 

Today a very small German trainer won the Arc de Triomphe at 80/1, beating all the well funded top trainers. 

Smaller sides have found ways of competing against those with greater resources. The most successful model globally is for teams to buy players cheap and then sell them on at peak selling potential. 

Both Toulouse and Featherstone are probably very well run, or they wouldn't have made the final. Therefore it is perfect that the winner will be decided on the field.

You're overlooking the fact that Spezia, Furth and Watford are the exception rather than the rule in the major pro sports leagues known to the public at large.  The great majority of the teams in those major pro leagues are located in big cities and have been for decades.

Consequently the expectation which outsiders to RL have of what it means for a league to be a legitimate major pro league is almost certainly that the great majority of its teams are in big cities with an occasional exception located in a smaller city or a town.  In other words, that's where those other leagues have set the bar for a league to be a legitimate major pro league in the eyes of the public.

When those outsiders look at the so-called "Super League" they won't see a league which measures up to that bar.  What they'll see instead is a league which falls a good way short of it because most of the teams are in smallish towns, a couple are in cities and none are in the sort of cities where the majority of major league pro teams are located.

All that can achieve is to reinforce the negative stereotypes about RL being a small time regional sport with limited appeal because if conforms to those stereotypes.  A team from a little town like Featherstone getting into SL would just add to that reinforcement of those negative stereotypes.

Like it not, that's the way things are.

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10 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

You're overlooking the fact that Spezia, Furth and Watford are the exception rather than the rule in the major pro sports leagues known to the public at large.  The great majority of the teams in those major pro leagues are located in big cities and have been for decades.

Consequently the expectation which outsiders to RL have of what it means for a league to be a legitimate major pro league is almost certainly that the great majority of its teams are in big cities with an occasional exception located in a smaller city or a town.  In other words, that's where those other leagues have set the bar for a league to be a legitimate major pro league in the eyes of the public.

When those outsiders look at the so-called "Super League" they won't see a league which measures up to that bar.  What they'll see instead is a league which falls a good way short of it because most of the teams are in smallish towns, a couple are in cities and none are in the sort of cities where the majority of major league pro teams are located.

All that can achieve is to reinforce the negative stereotypes about RL being a small time regional sport with limited appeal because if conforms to those stereotypes.  A team from a little town like Featherstone getting into SL would just add to that reinforcement of those negative stereotypes.

Like it not, that's the way things are.

Half the league are in large sporting cities. Leeds, Hull x2, Wakefield, Perpignan, Toulouse (if promoted) are all large cities. Salford is a city also. 

Many here class Castleford (and Featherstone) as part of Wakefield when it suits, so we can add them also as you can't have it both ways.🙂

Wigan, Warrington, St Helens are all famous enough whether they are cities are not. That leaves Huddersfield which is a large town.

There is also the potential for London, Bradford, Sheffield, Newcastle, York etc to be promoted.

Therefore there is plenty of room for Featherstone to be an exception. 

The only people I hear  describe league as a small town sport are the the odd few on here who seem to look at everything with a negative slant. 

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6 hours ago, Dallas Mead said:

Because it’s not what the sport needs, another small Yorkshire club in the top league.  Literally the last thing it needs actually, 3 SL clubs within a 10 mile radius is utter madness.   2 French clubs in SL meanwhile will be awesome.  Try something new to actually spread and grow the game.

Please just win Toulouse……🙏

So Wigan Saints Leigh and Warrington aren't near each other? You need to get out more.

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17 minutes ago, Fevrover said:

So Wigan Saints Leigh and Warrington aren't near each other? You need to get out more.

That's not a good thing either.

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6 hours ago, clogdance said:

Like I said, snob.

Ok, if challenging for and winning trophies makes clubs and their supporters snobs, we have no hope. Not everyone can finish 10th and have nothing to play for from June to the end of the season.

Who do you think Manchester United fans look forward to playing? It’s not Wigan, Burnley, Bolton, Blackburn, Preston, Blackpool and Stockport County who are the closest clubs to them, it’s their rival clubs who actually are contenders for winning trophies, it’s Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham etc 

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4 hours ago, Niels said:

Today a very small German trainer won the Arc de Triomphe

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8 hours ago, David Shepherd said:

It was a wet and miserable night and it was on TV. I rarely miss a game and if I hadn’t advance bought my ticket, I wouldn’t have bothered going out. It was foul.

It was also a shared gate. I’d be amazed if there weren’t at least 1000 more than the official figure. Every club at our level seems to under declare in such games.

Being on tv is no excuse. 

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