Wigan Riversider Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 It might have about as much chance of success as a SL team in Liverpool, however, give it a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tiffers said: Or one bus from Newquay to Penryn perhaps. Doesn't look much better by bus. 40 minutes in a cab. Cost £56. Edited November 3, 2021 by Billy King's Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, gingerjon said: With all the usual caveats about source: Wow . If that’s right that would be crippling . It was a fight as it was . Getting to Cornwall would be the least of the clubs concerns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billy King's Boots said: Doesn't look much better by bus. 40 minutes in a cab. Cost £56. Worth noting that it takes longer to go from Newquay Airport to Penryn by public transport than it takes to drive from North Manchester to Workington! Edited November 3, 2021 by Billy King's Boots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy King's Boots said: Only takes seven hours. Quicker to fly to Ottowa. And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy King's Boots Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff Hitting clubs with this level of cost after slashing funding seems wilfully punitive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff And that probably doesn't include the equipment. I had a quick scan at the flight options, there were some very interesting combinations on SkyScanner - flying via London, Dublin, Alicante and then Newquay Actually, that doesn't sound too bad tbh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: And potentially 16 to get back if returning (well leaving Cornwall) the same day. £5.5k for a group of 25 players and staff So you’ve established it’s too hard for you to bother attending any games,anything else to add ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 50 minutes ago, Dave T said: People not paying the bills can't just dismiss this concern. Let's assume Mick G is accurate (a silly assumption I know) - but the L1 clubs are seeing a reduction of c75%+ of their funding - and then having a new cost thrown on them - apparently without consultation. This kind of thing needs to be funded - the governing body needs to be providing the support here - the starting point to any decision needs to be how is it funded? That cannot be an afterthought. The clubs are absolutely right to be pushing back to the RFL here - and I hope it leads to them getting the funding. I wanted to write something similar but you have written it far better than I would have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfranco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Duplicate post Edited November 3, 2021 by mrfranco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davo5 said: So you’ve established it’s too hard for you to bother attending any games,anything else to add ? It wouldn't cost me £5.5k..... Whenever these threads come up all they demonstrate is the complete lack of understanding of how precarious the finances of L1 clubs are - let's face it the SL clubs aren't shining lights of fiscal acumen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfranco Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Here's Aaron Bower on "Everything we know about Cornwall RLFC" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Dave T said: People not paying the bills can't just dismiss this concern. Let's assume Mick G is accurate (a silly assumption I know) - but the L1 clubs are seeing a reduction of c75%+ of their funding - and then having a new cost thrown on them - apparently without consultation. This kind of thing needs to be funded - the governing body needs to be providing the support here - the starting point to any decision needs to be how is it funded? That cannot be an afterthought. The clubs are absolutely right to be pushing back to the RFL here - and I hope it leads to them getting the funding. The clubs are right to get the best deal they can. I have been quite consistent in being opposed to significant and unproportionate cuts to League 1. That though should not mean they can veto who may join the professional ranks and the RFL are also right to do what is best for the development of the game in England/UK. In my opinion it would set a dangerous precedent to not allow English clubs into the league due to their location. Hopefully common sense will prevail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RigbyLuger Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 The Championship clubs can share their TV windfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Damien said: The clubs are right to get the best deal they can. I have been quite consistent in being opposed to significant and unproportionate cuts to League 1. That though should not mean they can veto who may join the professional ranks and the RFL are also right to do what is best for the development of the game in England/UK. In my opinion it would set a dangerous precedent to not allow English clubs into the league due to their location. Hopefully common sense will prevail. I agree, and that's why this needs to be part of the initial decision. I. E. Can it be afforded? We can't have vanity projects putting other clubs at risk. To be fair, the RFL recognised this with Toulouse and Toronto and secured funding (through the clubs directly) so hopefully they aren't blind to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dave T said: I agree, and that's why this needs to be part of the initial decision. I. E. Can it be afforded? We can't have vanity projects putting other clubs at risk. To be fair, the RFL recognised this with Toulouse and Toronto and secured funding (through the clubs directly) so hopefully they aren't blind to this. I actually think as foreign clubs they are completely different cases. I can certainly understand any club's reservation when it comes to travel to France and Canada and the RFL placing conditions on their entrance to the league system when it comes to subsidising travel. An English/UK league admitting an English team is quite different I feel and if people expect Cornwall to pay then it becomes a case of where do we stop? Should London pay for travel? Should Whitehaven? Its a nationwide league and should be open to all in England, with obvious caveats when it comes to meeting criteria. Anything else is a local league for local people stuff. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugbyleaguesupporter Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Am I missing something here? How much is it to hire a coach for a day!? Basketball, lower division rugby union, motorsport, in fact virtually every other sport can cope. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, DavidM said: Wow . If that’s right that would be crippling . It was a fight as it was . Getting to Cornwall would be the least of the clubs concerns I mean, TBH, that's the thing, isn't it? It's not in isolation. It's telling clubs that they're going to have about 20% of previous funding, no additional grant, oh, and there's this new club in Penryn ... no, not, Penrith ... I don't agree with them deciding not to travel but I can see why'd they'd be moaning. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy King's Boots said: No. Quite a few people have mentioned how 'Rugby' is huge in Cornwall. It isn't at all. I'd be willing to bet, because it's pretty much true everywhere, that there are more registered clubs and players of soccer, and probably, cumulatively, more people paying to watch soccer. The Peninsula League seems pretty strong. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigan Riversider Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Don't Cornish people have their own flag of independence and have a certain eccentricity about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wigan Riversider said: Don't Cornish people have their own flag of independence and have a certain eccentricity about them No that’s France 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wigan Riversider said: Don't Cornish people have their own flag of independence and have a certain eccentricity about them The flag is on the club badge. Plenty will refer to Cornwall as a nation rather than a county. Duchy is, I think (could be wrong) only used by outsiders and people making a technical point. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 18 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said: At the start of the century no one would have thought it realistic that the top division of the game in this country would have two French sides in it and a game played in front of 31,000 in Barcelona with talk of games being played at the Velodrome or that one of those French sides would have won the cup and the league leaders shield and come so close to winning the whole competition but it happened. Its okay to be realistic but its okay to have some ambition as well. To be fair one of those clubs was planted in the top flight and ring fenced 1 sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, gingerjon said: The flag is on the club badge. Plenty will refer to Cornwall as a nation rather than a county. Duchy is, I think (could be wrong) only used by outsiders and people making a technical point. Prince Charles may go to matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I don't know where people are getting some of the figures being bandied around from. I suspect people are pulling numbers out of the air There are two or three coach hire 'comparison sites'. I did a quick 'for example' input and found coach companies who would take a part of 30-35 people from Leeds to Penryn and back in June 2022 for around £2000. Interestingly, the cost was roughly the same as the two trips to Barrow and Workington which the same clubs will NOT have to do in 2022. We either want Rugby to be national sport or we are happy for it to be grouped around the M62. We need to decide once and for all. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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