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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Doesn't need the hassle Chris, and any amount of money offered is not required either.

Hassle?

 

he's a former professional sportsman, and now a professional coach, I'm not sure any one that works in those professions aren't primed for challenges and ultimately success.

Do you really think coaching one of the largest if not the largest club with all that comes with that would not be attractive to a professional coach, just because they have a few quid already?

 

What you seem to be saying is Rowley hasn't got any ambition and wants an easier life. I'm not sure he would thank you for that description of him.

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1 hour ago, johnh1 said:

What is wrong with having ambition at Salford? Any success with Salford would be a much greater achievement than with Leeds.

Nothing at all but my point was to counter Harry’s assertion that Rowley doesn’t want the ‘hassle’ of coaching a bigger club.

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2 hours ago, Click said:

We get it, Rowley has a nice house and some money already. You've said it repeatably everytime hes rumoured to move somewhere new.

I don't understand why you are so sure that Rowley has such little ambition as a coach to stay at the level he is at currently.

The level he is at is SL level, if he moved to Leeds he would be at, erm, well, SL level.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Click said:

We get it, Rowley has a nice house and some money already. You've said it repeatably everytime hes rumoured to move somewhere new.

I don't understand why you are so sure that Rowley has such little ambition as a coach to stay at the level he is at currently.

Erm, this is only the second move in a short matter of weeks that he has been rumoured as a target for another coaching position, you make it sound as though it is a monthly occurrence.

The level he is currently at at club level, is better than the two clubs who where/are supposedly interested him, and he has done it all under his own fruition, could be he likes that way, what would be the biggest accolade he could acheive winning the Cup or GF with Salford and their meagre resources or mega rich Leeds?

Anyway, as I have said previously I would be surprised if he moved

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Surely Rowley leaving or not is just the same situation Watson found himself in.

Watson left because he saw Huddersfield as a step up and was promised much more financial backing. For any coach that is an appealing proposition when you have hit a ceiling where you are and no offence to Huddersfield but they are hardly a glamour club. Watson had similar close ties with Salford too.

Rowley has a similar decision but with a club that is much bigger in every way. He can implement what he wants as he wants in a way that isn't possible at Salford. We have seen that in the past he has already left Leigh, where he arguably had much closer ties as both player and coach, and went to Toronto so it's not like it's unfathomable that he will leave Salford and go a hour down the road.

For a coach it is also a chance that may only come around once in a coaches life too. A coach is only a poor season or two from not being the next big thing anymore.

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2 hours ago, Padge said:

The level he is at is SL level, if he moved to Leeds he would be at, erm, well, SL level.

If you don't think coaching Salford and coaching Leeds are on different levels, then I don't know. 

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Erm, this is only the second move in a short matter of weeks that he has been rumoured as a target for another coaching position, you make it sound as though it is a monthly occurrence.

The level he is currently at at club level, is better than the two clubs who where/are supposedly interested him, and he has done it all under his own fruition, could be he likes that way, what would be the biggest accolade he could acheive winning the Cup or GF with Salford and their meagre resources or mega rich Leeds?

Anyway, as I have said previously I would be surprised if he moved

Well, in the last couple weeks I have lost count of the amount of times you have told us he is very comfortable, has money, has a nice house, etc. 

The level he is at, at Salford is club level for sure, but it can't really be argued that he has got Salford playing at their highest potential with the budget, etc that is on offer. 

Coaching Leeds is a different level, as you are moving from a club that wants to potentially challenge for things, but generally is a mid table club compared to that of a club that has recently been more mid table, but should be challenging for titles every season. 

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3 hours ago, Padge said:

The level he is at is SL level, if he moved to Leeds he would be at, erm, well, SL level.

I think I get what you mean .ouch 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Click said:

If you don't think coaching Salford and coaching Leeds are on different levels, then I don't know. 

They are both at the same level, SL level, are Leeds in some division above that I missed.

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3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Well that isn't true surely?

On team matters Tom, even when Watson was getting all the accolades Salfords fortunes and style of play changed considerably with the arrival of Rowley to the AJ Bell, Watson had already had 3 to 4 seasons of mediocre standard, for confirmation look at the way Huddersfield now play and how Salford play.

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17 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

On team matters Tom, even when Watson was getting all the accolades Salfords fortunes and style of play changed considerably with the arrival of Rowley to the AJ Bell, Watson had already had 3 to 4 seasons of mediocre standard, for confirmation look at the way Huddersfield now play and how Salford play.

It wasn't solely down to Rowley though is it, hence why so many have talked about the impact of Blease in being able to maintain a competitive level at Salford.

Rowley is a good coach, nobody is doubting that, but Salford's position is not all due to him.

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41 minutes ago, Padge said:

They are both at the same level, SL level, are Leeds in some division above that I missed.

Have you got some kind of neurodiversity that stops you being able to understand nuances or something? Or are you just being obtuse.

The chasm between the Salford and Leeds clubs is massive in every area except on field performance.

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11 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

It wasn't solely down to Rowley though is it, hence why so many have talked about the impact of Blease in being able to maintain a competitive level at Salford.

Rowley is a good coach, nobody is doubting that, but Salford's position is not all due to him.

Well you have now got Blease, so don't blame you for bulling him up Tom, but I doubt that *anybody who works upstairs would sign anyone without running it past the coach first who will give a yeah or nay to proceed or ditch the idea.

*On reflection Mr Hetherington may have done though !

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4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

*On reflection Mr Hetherington may have done though !

Like lots of people you have totally the wrong impression of Gary Hetherington and how he runs a Rugby League club.

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Just now, M j M said:

Like lots of people you have totally the wrong impression of Gary Hetherington and how he runs a Rugby League club.

Would the consensus be with all the resources at the disposal of the Richest and Best - according to the IMG rankings - not very well in recent years when measured by on the field achievements?

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22 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Have you got some kind of neurodiversity that stops you being able to understand nuances or something? Or are you just being obtuse.

The chasm between the Salford and Leeds clubs is massive in every area except on field performance.

How are Leeds and Salford not at the same Rugby League level. London and Wigan are at the same level when they play tonight.

Leeds and Widnes are at different levels. I am waiting for him to find the correct word, level isn't it.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

On team matters Tom, even when Watson was getting all the accolades Salfords fortunes and style of play changed considerably with the arrival of Rowley to the AJ Bell, Watson had already had 3 to 4 seasons of mediocre standard, for confirmation look at the way Huddersfield now play and how Salford play.

This just isnt true though and is an awfully selective way of looking at it. Salfords style of play was great before Rowley even went there and they went from 10th to finishing 4th in 2 seasons before Rowley even joined the club. They even appeared in a Grand Final and Challenge Cup appearances under Watson.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Would the consensus be with all the resources at the disposal of the Richest and Best - according to the IMG rankings - not very well in recent years when measured by on the field achievements?

Do you not stop for a minute and wonder if the Chief Executive might just have some involvement in them being the best graded and most (only?) financially self sufficient club?

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3 hours ago, Padge said:

How are Leeds and Salford not at the same Rugby League level. London and Wigan are at the same level when they play tonight.

Leeds and Widnes are at different levels. I am waiting for him to find the correct word, level isn't it.

Obtuse it is then

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33 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Obtuse it is then

No, the wording implies that Salford don't play at the same level as Leeds, this blatantly incorrect.

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2 hours ago, Padge said:

No, the wording implies that Salford don't play at the same level as Leeds, this blatantly incorrect.

Or it could imply that as a club, Salford aren't at the same level Leeds are. It doesn't just mean playing, unless you were being tunnel visioned about that particular aspect to make some sort of point?

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