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5 minutes ago, Damien said:

I suppose for Wigan Leuluai and O'Loughlin retiring around the same time was pretty unique and pretty hard to replicate.

Both had a wealth of experience at the highest levels of the game over almost 20 years and already had the respect of all the players as former Wigan captains, leaders and great players.

They are also fantastic at what they do. I think what really helps is they are happy with their role and what they do as part of that triumvirate, they have no inclination to be a head coach and are happy just focusing on the rugby side of things. Then you have Matty Peet doing a great job of pulling it all together and leading it. I think for all that to work there can be no egos and that in itself is probably pretty rare at this kind of level.

I don't think the type of guys you mention have that standing really. I imagine the equivalents may have been players like Peacock and Sinfield (who didnt seem to work in the non coaching role they put him in) but they are long gone now.

As you say I think there hasn't been a comfortably confident decision on that assistant level position at Leeds for a while and it's hindered a lot of the on field. I think there has been opportunities for that rugby experience to be passed on but that has been mishandled in nearly every way over the past decade.

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31 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

As you say I think there hasn't been a comfortably confident decision on that assistant level position at Leeds for a while and it's hindered a lot of the on field. I think there has been opportunities for that rugby experience to be passed on but that has been mishandled in nearly every way over the past decade.

I think some head coaches don't want that, particularly if they've come from outside the club and see it as a threat to their position. Again that's where Peet was pretty unique in that he came through the system and was comfortable with 2 club legends helping him, most wouldn't want that and would want their own guys. Of course we can see examples where a big name as an assistant can be pretty disastrous and a head coach is indeed completely undermined.

I don't think there's a right or wrong per se but getting that blend right is pretty damn difficult and involves a stroke of luck too. I do think if you get the right head coach then the rest falls into place. Again using Wigan if the head coach wasn't Peet and the head coach didn't give the assistants their place and autonomy and saw them as a threat then the whole thing wouldn't have worked and they'd probably be out the door.

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14 hours ago, Damien said:

He joined August 16th 2019 after round 25 with only 4 games left and Salford finished 3rd and reached the Grand Final. Its a heck of a stretch to attribute all that to him and to give Watson no credit. I'm certain if roles were reversed then you wouldnt be.

I think that you will find that he joined Salford before the official date he joined which you mention, it was from a very very close family member of his who told me that after Toronto and how he left that club he was disillusioned with the game and didn't know if he wanted to return, so he was going to try it out for a few months with no commitments, so he went to Salford, and as they say the rest is history.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

I think that you will find that he joined Salford before the official date he joined which you mention, it was from a very very close family member of his who told me that after Toronto and how he left that club he was disillusioned with the game and didn't know if he wanted to return, so he was going to try it out for a few months with no commitments, so he went to Salford, and as they say the rest is history.

So in the press release of him joining the club in August 2019 and them saying:

"Rowley has assisted Red Devils head coach Ian Watson during training sessions in recent weeks and has now been brought on in an official capacity."

Is a lie?

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5 hours ago, Pete Grady said:

Salford's style with Watson was a little dour to watch, but effective, and it only changed when Watto took the trip over the Pennines and Paul Rowley became Head Coach.  Salford became much better to watch after Watson left to carry on with his '5 drives, kick and defend well & force a mistake' game plan at Huddersfield.  Of course that game plan still holds at Salford, but with a lot more skill, adventure and licence to be bold, wherever you are on the pitch, and that's all down to Paul Rowley imo. 

You have to factor in the Jackson Hastings factor as well. Remember the impact he had in that first play off game?  we had a different game plan with someone who could execute it. 

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6 hours ago, Pete Grady said:

Salford's style with Watson was a little dour to watch, but effective, and it only changed when Watto took the trip over the Pennines and Paul Rowley became Head Coach.  Salford became much better to watch after Watson left to carry on with his '5 drives, kick and defend well & force a mistake' game plan at Huddersfield.  Of course that game plan still holds at Salford, but with a lot more skill, adventure and licence to be bold, wherever you are on the pitch, and that's all down to Paul Rowley imo. 

I think it has been at the Giants a lot of the time

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I must say though that I will be relieved when Leeds announce Brad Arthur as their Coach and Paul Rowley signs the new contract on the table for him at Salford.

(I think I'll slip off my bandages and nip into Paul King's office and forge Rowey's signature on the contract, that should do it!)

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On 25/06/2024 at 11:54, Click said:

Rowley has assisted Red Devils head coach Ian Watson during training sessions in recent weeks and has now been brought on in an official capacity."

Is a lie?

No it is not a lie Click, but please define "in recent weeks" as a period of time, neither is it a lie were I quoted what a 'very very close relative' of Paul's relayed to me.

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On 06/07/2024 at 09:26, Damien said:

Looks like it will be Arthur:

 

What's that all about in the postscript under Brad Arthur's picture, are Leeds considering he may not be there very long or are they wondering if he is right for them?

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4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

What's that all about in the postscript under Brad Arthur's picture, are Leeds considering he may not be there very long or are they wondering if he is right for them?

The story says he will just cover the rest of this season, at the presser yesterday Leeds denied any decisions has been made. So it might happen, it might not.

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2 minutes ago, The Magic Rat said:

Brad Arthur confirmed for the rest of this season 

Tough job. A lot of fans there who demand success no matter what the state of the squad is. 

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3 minutes ago, Gooleboy said:

Tough job. A lot of fans there who demand success no matter what the state of the squad is. 

He’s nothing to lose really though, turns it around - hero status and off he trots.

Stay as we are, not my fault guvnor and off he trots.

What I will say is we are in a far better position than when RS came in mid season- only 4 points off second place rather than second from bottom.

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40 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

He’s nothing to lose really though, turns it around - hero status and off he trots.

Stay as we are, not my fault guvnor and off he trots.

What I will say is we are in a far better position than when RS came in mid season- only 4 points off second place rather than second from bottom.

The league position is better. I'm not sure performances on the field are any better.

Regarding Arthur, i think it is a good option. As you say neither party has much to lose. It is better from Leeds point of view to wait for the right person, rather than rushing into a decision. 

Well done to Blease imo

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Squad is better than Rohan inherited when everyone fit, been a lot of injuries this year but the attitudes have really stunk too. If he can get the team to buy in to the project and believe it is worthwhile playoffs are within easy reach.

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This deal definitely suits Arthur more than it does Leeds. Can't think who Leeds my be trying to line up who's a better coach than Arthur - whereas from Arthur's perspective, he'll get another NRL club for 2025 no problem. 

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36 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

This deal definitely suits Arthur more than it does Leeds. Can't think who Leeds my be trying to line up who's a better coach than Arthur - whereas from Arthur's perspective, he'll get another NRL club for 2025 no problem. 

It suggests Rowley is lined up for 2025 to me - or AN other I would like that to be Justin Holbrook personally, thought had Saints playing some fabulous rugby when he was there.

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Just watched a bit of the press conference, my impression is Leeds would be happy to keep Arthur if he wants to stay, but Arthur expects to get a better offer from the NRL.

So need to keep looking for that second choice...

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On 10/07/2024 at 22:35, Lowdesert said:

Good man is Arthur.  Imo he’ll be back in the NRL for 2025 though.

That is my opinion as well for what its worth.

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