AI OVERKILL

[ivans82]

The latest news from the wretched AI community comes with the Schumacher family suing a magazine for printing an AI interview with him .How can you literally put words into peoples mouths which they have never said and publish it as an "actual" interview . Follows recent cheat who won a photograph competition with an AI simulation , and another story on singers voices being "cloned" to produce a "new song" . The quicker these nerds and geeks crawl back under theit rock the better .............although i wont hold my breath , this is probably just the beginning .

[gingerjon]

5 minutes ago, ivans82 said:

Follows recent cheat who won a photograph competition with an AI simulation

Sometimes helps if you read past the headlines.

[Derwent]

Live Forever….forget Oasis, here’s AIsis….

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/apr/18/oasis-aisis-band-fronted-by-an-ai-liam-gallagher

[graveyard johnny]

I dont even write or contribute to many of my own posts on this site anymore its a lot easier to let AI do it for me 

[graveyard johnny]

Just now, graveyard johnny said:

I dont even write or contribute to many of my own posts on this site anymore its a lot easier to let AI do it for me 

when did I  post that????????/

[Padge]

9 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Sometimes helps if you read past the headlines.

I was about to post similar, I think proving a point and admitting how you did it and refusing the prize could hardly be classed as being a cheat.

[DI Keith Fowler]

Pulling it back to the more general rise of AI stories, it's a fantastic marketing campaign for all these companies promising the world to other companies managed by dum dums who want to get rid of staff. 

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

I am old enough to remember when the only people to talk about AI were farmers and vets; it meant something a bit different, of course!

[GUBRATS]

On 20/04/2023 at 16:55, graveyard johnny said:

I dont even write or contribute to many of my own posts on this site anymore its a lot easier to let AI do it for me 

We've noticed the improvement

[ivans82]

The man who has been nicknamed "the godfather" of A! technology has resigned apparently because he is getting worried things are going to far . Also in the same article Eton Musk has called for a halt on further developements until proper discuusions are had .......not just me then .

[Gerrumonside ref]

1 hour ago, ivans82 said:

The man who has been nicknamed "the godfather" of A! technology has resigned apparently because he is getting worried things are going to far . Also in the same article Eton Musk has called for a halt on further developements until proper discuusions are had .......not just me then .

I disagreed with your reading of the AI photo competition and agreed with those saying you have to go past the headline on that one.

As for today’s latest development it is an eye opener.

I read an interesting book about AI by Gary Kasparov, arguably the greatest chess player of all time who famously lost to Deep Blue chess program.

Since his retirement he has done a lot of consultancy work on AI and his book really unpicks the subject for me in terms of assessing the dangers and possibilities of AI.

Worth a read.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Gerrumonside ref

[Wolford6]

I initially read this headline as a major accident on the A1.

[Oxford]

On 20/04/2023 at 09:39, ivans82 said:

.How can you literally put words into peoples mouths which they have never said and publish it as an "actual" interview .

In actual fact this is only a small step from what the legacy media have been up to for years.

The purpose of AI is that it's supposed to replace poor peoples' jobs or poor people altogether and anything else is icing on the cake.

[Click]

4 hours ago, Oxford said:

In actual fact this is only a small step from what the legacy media have been up to for years.

The purpose of AI is that it's supposed to replace poor peoples' jobs or poor people altogether and anything else is icing on the cake.

That is a pretty cynical way of looking at AI - Rather than looking at the benefits of utilising it in various fields where humans wouldn't even be able to compete. I saw one place that was using AI to analyse speech patterns in adults to try and detect early signs of dementia (I can't recall if it was dementia or Alzheimer's) - Something AI will be able to do, but a human would never be able to do

And define "poor" in this instance - I recall watching something on AI not too long ago that compared it to automation in factories - Machines taking the jobs from manual labour factory jobs. Now people are saying with AI it will replace those people working in offices, etc. Does "poor" just mean not a millionaire in this case?

[graveyard johnny]

I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle 

[Oxford]

22 minutes ago, Click said:

That is a pretty cynical way of looking at AI - Rather than looking at the benefits of utilising it in various fields where humans wouldn't even be able to compete. I saw one place that was using AI to analyse speech patterns in adults to try and detect early signs of dementia (I can't recall if it was dementia or Alzheimer's) - Something AI will be able to do, but a human would never be able to do

And define "poor" in this instance - I recall watching something on AI not too long ago that compared it to automation in factories - Machines taking the jobs from manual labour factory jobs. Now people are saying with AI it will replace those people working in offices, etc. Does "poor" just mean not a millionaire in this case?

Just this once Click Yes I am very cynical but mostly the people I'm mistrustful of have not only earned it but wear it like a badge of honour. The benefits is as much a red herring as it is a convincing motif I'm afraid; and Who needs workers that need to eat, sleep and pee, if it's cheaper it will replace anything that isn't.

Why on earth would you want me to define poor ? I can't imagine you have trouble recognising when it happens or who it's happening to when it overtakes them.

Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut

Edited May 2, 2023 by Oxford

[Oxford]

https://fortune.com/2023/05/02/godfather-ai-geoff-hinton-google-warns-artificial-intelligence-nightmare-scenario/

[JohnM]

Once upon a time, "computerisation" was going to do millions of people out of jobs. Now, in my opinion, the IT sector employs many more people than it put out of work. People are emerging from the education system at multiple levels with skills scarcely imagined 20 or even just 10 years ago. Cleaner, less dangerous, more healthy than many of the lost industries. It'll be the same with AI, opening up opportunities for employment in sectors unimagined yet.

My first contact with AI was many many years ago, my employer looking at reselling ART running on Symbolics workstations. (ART= Artificial Reasoning Tool).  Now,  40 or so years later, AI is the talk of the town. I don't think we're there yet and there is along way to go yet. 

Think of it as a decision support tool. For example, a GP might use it to help him make faster and better diagnoses and devise better and more effective treatments. 

more info here: https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/how-chatgpt-actually-works/

 

[GUBRATS]

23 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Once upon a time, "computerisation" was going to do millions of people out of jobs. Now, in my opinion, the IT sector employs many more people than it put out of work. People are emerging from the education system at multiple levels with skills scarcely imagined 20 or even just 10 years ago. Cleaner, less dangerous, more healthy than many of the lost industries. It'll be the same with AI, opening up opportunities for employment in sectors unimagined yet.

My first contact with AI was many many years ago, my employer looking at reselling ART running on Symbolics workstations. (ART= Artificial Reasoning Tool).  Now,  40 or so years later, AI is the talk of the town. I don't think we're there yet and there is along way to go yet. 

Think of it as a decision support tool. For example, a GP might use it to help him make faster and better diagnoses and devise better and more effective treatments. 

more info here: https://www.assemblyai.com/blog/how-chatgpt-actually-works/

 

Interesting one , ' lost industries ' , like ? 

[JohnM]

Just one example: manufacturing of tabulators, mechanical calculators, cash registers, uniselectors, linotype machines, .....

[Padge]

1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Just one example: manufacturing of tabulators, mechanical calculators, cash registers, uniselectors, linotype machines, .....

Machinery logic used to be all controlled by switches and electro mechanical relays, the huge control panels built to hold the complex functions these controlled have been replaced by single computer in many instances.  The change meant a decrease in business for companies manufacturing switches and relays, less employment in the need to build complex electrical panels and a reduction in maintenance requirements as electro mechanical devices have alimited life between fails.

However, conversley there was a massive increase in the electronics required, electronc logic components, circuit boards etc. and all of this state of the art electronic control needs programming, producing a very fast increase in the number of people required to have a different skill set.

Both still need equipment at the machine operation level to do the heavy lifting but the interface between input to output has changed massively and the skills required are different, however someone is still needed to come up with the ideas of how to use the technology and somebody to impliment it.

 

[Futtocks]

The idea was that technology would free humanity to have the leisure to fulfil its potential.

What it tends to do is chuck the small, unimportant people on the scrapheap, while enriching people whose jobs (and money) were never under threat anyway.

[Shadow]

6 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle 

I can’t do that Dave

[Padge]

53 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

The idea was that technology would free humanity to have the leisure to fulfil its potential.

What it tends to do is chuck the small, unimportant people on the scrapheap, while enriching people whose jobs (and money) were never under threat anyway.

Every industrial revolution only moves labour from redundant tasks to required tasks. 

The mega rich have always struggled with the fact that if their poor employees were not so poor thay would have more money to spend on buying their products to make them richer rather than supress workers wages to make themselves richer.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Padge

[Copa]

In 10 to 15 years we’ll probably be able to subscribe to an AI package that specialises in movies and we’ll be able to request a movie just for our tastes and have it created within seconds.

As most movies today seem to be simply chewing gum for the mind, the AI company will be able to creat this stuff easily. 

The film industry is in for a shock..same for the music industry.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Copa