State of Origin: Game I - NSW v QLD (Adelaide)

[Adelaide Tiger]

2 hours ago, eal said:

In the close games Queensland will always win, they always seem to score the last try regardless of the score line and always have more passion. New South Wales has some guys who just want to play Origin, every Queensland player wants to play for Queensland. 

I agree.

Over many years the narrative has been that Qld play till the final second and that SoO means more to Qld.  That has been drummed into NSW teams and IMHO it is now a major psychological barrier that NSW have to somehow overcome.

One other thing I have noticed over the years, and again last night, was whenever there are what my wife terms ‘handbags at ten paces’ it appears to give QLD an added boost for five or ten minutes unlike NSW.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

 

I see the News Corp idiots came away with the impression that NSW stilted attack was somehow Luai's failing. Despite all the evidence of our eyes, and his game stats versus an underwhelming Cleary. 

I wonder what it is about the Islander-heritage stand-off that people like James Hooper don't like?

[Dunbar]

25 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

 

I see the News Corp idiots came away with the impression that NSW stilted attack was somehow Luai's failing. Despite all the evidence of our eyes, and his game stats versus an underwhelming Cleary. 

I wonder what it is about the Islander-heritage stand-off that people like James Hooper don't like?

Cleary does seem pretty immune from criticism and will not be dropped by NSW.

But I am not sure bringing in Hynes, a club game management half, alongside Cleary, a game management half, is the answer.

Personally I think NSW need more creative spark, not less which is what dropping Luai will do.  They need a Cody Walker type.  I would love to see Walker and Hynes play together but that is very long odds.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

5 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Cleary does seem pretty immune from criticism and will not be dropped by NSW.

But I am not sure bringing in Hynes, a club game management half, alongside Cleary, a game management half, is the answer.

Personally I think NSW need more creative spark, not less which is what dropping Luai will do.  They need a Cody Walker type.  I would love to see Walker and Hynes play together but that is very long odds.

If they want to change it up, I'd keep Luai and try another managing half like Hynes as you say. Luai gives you a great running game, didn't see anything to suggest he can't for NSW. If anything the issue was the connection to the centres, I'd be playing a specialist instead of Trbojevic for sure. 

[DavidM]

58 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Cleary does seem pretty immune from criticism and will not be dropped by NSW.

But I am not sure bringing in Hynes, a club game management half, alongside Cleary, a game management half, is the answer.

Personally I think NSW need more creative spark, not less which is what dropping Luai will do.  They need a Cody Walker type.  I would love to see Walker and Hynes play together but that is very long odds.

I like Walker to . He’s a bit unpredictable , super talented and competitive , and a feisty sort as well . Luai and Cleary have been shut down before by Queensland , but I don’t think Freddie really is a great deep thinker as a coach  . Hynes ended up on as centre due to turbo going off , I don’t think he really had any idea what to do with him 

[graveyard johnny]

Tedesco getting picked on past glorys at the min  would give Edwards, Turbo or Fatrell a shot with one game already lost - bench teddy for the 2nd game - they can reshuffle any time and bring him on if its not working - plus why can he never keep his shorts on?  does he cover his backside in Swarfega before ko?

[Llangennech]

IMO we need to play like the Raiders did in 2019. Have two running half-backs. I'd go with Nicholas Hynes and Latrell Mitchell in the halves. Cook on the bench. 

[Davo5]

14 hours ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

Bit of a cheap dig there Davo5.  Are you from NSW or QLD and are against SoO being held outside of those states?

IMHO a crowd of 48,613 - which was 4,970 below capacity - that included me, wife and daughters was a bl00dy good effort in a state where RL is hardly ever mentioned.

As a comparison the crowd was only 349 attendees lower than the first AFL ‘Showdown’ of the season between Port Adelaide and Adelaide Crows - which is supposedly the biggest sporting event in SA and accompanied by wall to wall, over the top media for weeks before the game.

Listening to the radio this morning it was interesting that the presenters and people calling in were moaning about how the presentation of SoO at Adelaide Oval was far more exciting, extravagant etc. than for Port or the Crows.

Cheap dig ??

Im from neither so have absolutely no problem in SOO being taken to other cities,I simply stated that I thought the NRL would be disappointed in a sub 50k crowd for their flagship,especially as Perth,another AFL stronghold got over 10k more when they hosted Origin.

[Anita Bath]

The Perth game was at the weekend, much more conducive to attracting interstate travellors.

I went from the east coast but unable to travel midweek to Adelaide. I am sure I wasn’t alone in that.

[Dirkgee]

7 hours ago, Davo5 said:

Cheap dig ??

Im from neither so have absolutely no problem in SOO being taken to other cities,I simply stated that I thought the NRL would be disappointed in a sub 50k crowd for their flagship,especially as Perth,another AFL stronghold got over 10k more when they hosted Origin.

48k in a 53k stadium is pretty good think. It's about pushing origin as a product in other cities. If they only cared about crowds then the 3rd match would always be in Melbourne which gets around 95k each time they go there for Origin.

[Anita Bath]

50 minutes ago, Dirkgee said:

48k in a 53k stadium is pretty good think. It's about pushing origin as a product in other cities. If they only cared about crowds then the 3rd match would always be in Melbourne which gets around 95k each time they go there for Origin.

Hate games played on cricket grounds….binoculars at the ready….whether Perth, Adelaide or Melbourne. We spend millions of taxpayers money on building ‘rectangular’ stadiums and then take big games to ovals.

[Aldinga Tiger]

I couldn't agree more. I attended my first SoO since moving to Australia and thought I had dropped lucky getting tickets for behind the posts, how wrong. Although it was great to be near to where the players and officials came out, to actually watch the game on field was so difficult. I think it was about 30 yards to the posts and you could just watch the game upto the 20m line and then you ending up watching the big screen, so disappointing. The Aussie fans are a funny lot though, no chanting, just moaning about opposition. Next time a ticket on the half way line. 

[Dunbar]

5 hours ago, Dirkgee said:

48k in a 53k stadium is pretty good think. It's about pushing origin as a product in other cities. If they only cared about crowds then the 3rd match would always be in Melbourne which gets around 95k each time they go there for Origin.

To be honest, I have never really understood why they take Origin away from Queensland and NSW.

It can't be a legitimate attempt to promote Rugby League as one game every 4 years is not going to make a dent.

It is already one of the most viewed TV products of the year and playing it away from Sydney or Brisbane surely won't bump the TV audiences that much.

I get the fact the Australian Rugby League  want to show off the Origin product but the actual product is at its best when played in front of partisan crowds in Sydney or Brisbane and I do think it loses something when it is on a neutral ground.

[Anita Bath]

Its because the City councils of these citys pay very large fees to host the games. If Kabul offered Vlandys millions to host the game he would take it there.

[AB90]

1 hour ago, Dunbar said:

To be honest, I have never really understood why they take Origin away from Queensland and NSW.

It can't be a legitimate attempt to promote Rugby League as one game every 4 years is not going to make a dent.

It is already one of the most viewed TV products of the year and playing it away from Sydney or Brisbane surely won't bump the TV audiences that much.

I get the fact the Australian Rugby League  want to show off the Origin product but the actual product is at its best when played in front of partisan crowds in Sydney or Brisbane and I do think it loses something when it is on a neutral ground.

Yeah, I agree that if the NRL has no ambition of putting a team in Adelaide then why play an origin game there. 

If the NRL is looking to put a particular team in a city (Perth, Adelaide, NZ 2) then yes, use Origin as a tool to infiltrate that market. 

[Pulga]

 

 

 

[Dunbar]

4 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Its because the City councils of these citys pay very large fees to host the games. If Kabul offered Vlandys millions to host the game he would take it there.

Which is a risk.

The reason why Origin is special in Australia is the rivalry and that isn't just the players, it is the passion in the stands.

In order for State of Origin to remain special it needs to keep that differentiator.  I just didn't get that in this week's game.  It just didn't feel that intense.

When you have a product based on what makes it special, don't flog it while simultaneously draining its value.

[Adelaide Tiger]

4 hours ago, Anita Bath said:

Its because the City councils of these citys pay very large fees to host the games. If Kabul offered Vlandys millions to host the game he would take it there.

According to one source it was reported that the South Australian government put up $5m for the origin game.

This is on top of the $80m -$90m cash and non-capital investment given to the AFL for the 3 year ‘Gather Round’ that had its first outing in April this year.  Basically a Magic Weekend round.

And god knows how much the State Govt gave to host the LIV Golf tournament in late April because they won’t tell us!

[Dunbar]

I was catching up with the first women's State of Origin game yesterday and Gus Gould was one of the commentary team.

NSW were 18-10 down with about 10 to go and one of the commentary team asked Gould what NSW need to do to get back in the game.

Without any irony and as a genuine piece of insight he said "they need to score two tries".

The man is a genius.

[Mojo]

Nsw needs to keep Luai at 6 if Liam Martin starts at second row to keep that combination. Hynes needs to be the 7. And TPJ needs to be dropped for Spencer Leniu. Leniu brings alot more aggression against the qld than TPJ. It's gonna be interesting to see what Freddy does.

[StandOffHalf]

I'd go with the old Souths pairing of Reynolds and Walker. Both old stagers and playing great football in 2023. Reynolds would be playing at his home ground, which would be an added benefit. 

Hynes on the bench could cover multiple backline positions.

[Anita Bath]

From a broncos perspective….no thank you. Take Reynolds out of Broncos team and we are struggling to make the 8. Broncos need a well rested fully fit Reynolds to take them to the promised land…wherever Vlandys chooses to locate that this year.

[JM2010]

On 08/06/2023 at 05:27, Mojo said:

Nsw needs to keep Luai at 6 if Liam Martin starts at second row to keep that combination. Hynes needs to be the 7. And TPJ needs to be dropped for Spencer Leniu. Leniu brings alot more aggression against the qld than TPJ. It's gonna be interesting to see what Freddy does.

I thought QLD targeted Hynes when he came on and they scored a couple of tries as a result. I’d stick with Cleary at 7

[StandOffHalf]

30 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

I thought QLD targeted Hynes when he came on and they scored a couple of tries as a result. I’d stick with Cleary at 7

Cleary is out of Game 2 I think.

[Anita Bath]

Yes and likely to miss game three as well