Sun 10th Sept: SL: Salford Red Devils v Warrington Wolves KO 12:45 (Channel 4)

[Ullman]

9 minutes ago, OnStrike said:

What drama! Delighted Channel 4 had that and more people got a chance to see it

I think C4 will be very happy they got that one.

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

Just jesting Harry, I totally agree,on your game on Friday I thought saints were constantly slowing your ruck, but listen to the redvee podcast and they said Leigh were constantly doing it, fans generally complain when it's done to them and then call their own players for not doing it.

Saints and I think Wigan have the slowest attacking PTBs in the league and yet you think they are doing it to everyone else. 

[Snowys Backside]

Just now, bobbruce said:

Saints and I think Wigan have the slowest attacking PTBs in the league and yet you think they are doing it to everyone else. 

Wigan and Saints spend more time wrestling than any other team. 

I hate it. Roll off immediately, and play on. 3rd and 4th man in just to slow down the ptb!

[Snowys Backside]

1 hour ago, phiggins said:

4th isn’t wrapped up for Leigh with one more win. Hull KR could still catch us, and make up the PD

Absolutely. 

It only takes another Wigan tonking should we beat Wakefield and back to hull we go! 

 

[FearTheVee]

4 minutes ago, Snowys Backside said:

Wigan and Saints spend more time wrestling than any other team. 

I hate it. Roll off immediately, and play on. 3rd and 4th man in just to slow down the ptb!

So Saints and Wigan are the worst for wrestling yet consistently have slower PTBs than other teams?

Remarkable really isn’t it. It’s almost as if teams are slowing them down more than the other way round . . . . .

That said - the amount of up the middle rugby saints currently play it’s unsurprising they get slow average PTBs really.

Edited September 10, 2023 by FearTheVee

[Snowys Backside]

8 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

So Saints and Wigan are the worst for wrestling yet consistently have slower PTBs than other teams?

Remarkable really isn’t it. It’s almost as if teams are slowing them down more than the other way round . . . . .

That said - the amount of up the middle rugby saints currently play it’s unsurprising they get slow average PTBs really.

Do you have any stop watch analysis to back up your claim? 

Wigan especially are the bloody masters of the dark art!  

[Just Browny]

2 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

So Saints and Wigan are the worst for wrestling yet consistently have slower PTBs than other teams?

 

The thread's not even about Saints (or Wigan) and here they are again moaning that they aren't getting the love off from the TotalRL messageboard they feel they deserve.

Any evidence for this PTB stat by the way?

[Red Willow]

What a mad game. Not often a game is decided by golden try.

Couldn't understand what Singleton was thinking until I saw the replay ofDufty cheap shot on the kidneys.

Was never certain how that game would end

 

[Red Willow]

The other thing to baffle me, at 80 mins people were leaving. At least 1 couple realised their error and returned to their seats.

[HullWire]

Not read the thread but Ratchford opting to recieve the kick off for extra time makes no sense 

[Padge]

1 hour ago, Red Willow said:

What a mad game. Not often a game is decided by golden try.

Couldn't understand what Singleton was thinking until I saw the replay ofDufty cheap shot on the kidneys.

Was never certain how that game would end

 

Wigan v Hull KR, May, Liam Farrell scored GP try

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, HullWire said:

Not read the thread but Ratchford opting to recieve the kick off for extra time makes no sense 

Said earlier in the thread Ratch is getting old, but if that is true senility is also setting in.

[bobbruce]

3 hours ago, Snowys Backside said:

Wigan and Saints spend more time wrestling than any other team. 

I hate it. Roll off immediately, and play on. 3rd and 4th man in just to slow down the ptb!

How can that be true when Saints and Wigan have the slowest attacking PTBs in the league. 

[Barry Badrinath]

1 hour ago, HullWire said:

Not read the thread but Ratchford opting to recieve the kick off for extra time makes no sense 

Salford were marching us down the field for the last 20 minutes,  probably hoped we could get the ball and and get it done before they got possession 

[bobbruce]

14 hours ago, Snowys Backside said:

Do you have any stop watch analysis to back up your claim? 

Wigan especially are the bloody masters of the dark art!  

Opta stats that Sky used a few weeks ago. 

Edited September 11, 2023 by bobbruce

[Red Willow]

44 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Said earlier in the thread Ratch is getting old, but if that is true senility is also setting in.

Why? don't most teams want first possession?

[corvusxiii]

5 hours ago, Padge said:

Do you think coaches know this (and other refs foibles), and do you think good coaches exploit this and coach the players how to play each ref.

If my coach didn't i would want know why.

Refs are human not robots, live with it and stop bloody moaning about it.

No. It's just that laying on is both ugly/tedious and detrimental to the spectacle. Justifying laying on as a fault by the opposing coach is ugly...tedious. 

What really gets me is when one team proficient enough/ gets away with laying on yet I'm wanting to be entertained by a game of rugby league. I struggle watching sometimes but not enough to stop me moaning.

[Ullman]

1 hour ago, Padge said:

Wigan v Hull KR, May, Liam Farrell scored GP try

Salford have done it before. Beat Catalans in a Challenge Cup quarter final with a try from Dan Sarginson.

[Griff]

7 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

How is it accidental offside?

Dudson deliberately caught it.

Folk don't understand that.

Yet it's simple enough.

[Griff]

7 hours ago, Gomersall said:

Yes, how many pens for accidental offside are when a player deliberately takes the ball? Almost all of them. Most are purely reactionary.

None. Accidental offside is a scrum.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Red Willow said:

Why? don't most teams want first possession?

No you trust your defence to hold them or they make a mistake, you are in DG territory then.

[Ullman]

3 hours ago, Red Willow said:

What a mad game. Not often a game is decided by golden try.

Couldn't understand what Singleton was thinking until I saw the replay ofDufty cheap shot on the kidneys.

Was never certain how that game would end

 

I have absolutely no idea where you've got that from. Dufty is going for the ball carrying arm.

[Liverpool Rover]

It was an entertaining game although low on quality and has made next weeks game vs Salford a must win. Thewlis being penalised for a knock on when Brierley was holding his leg and Salford scoring not long after was a big moment for me, although Warrington didn't help themselves with all the errors that they made and in the end it was the error in their own half in golden point which had such a big impact on the result.

[Gomersall]

8 hours ago, Griff said:

None. Accidental offside is a scrum.

Oops, my bad.   

[The Masked Poster]

10 hours ago, Griff said:

Folk don't understand that.

Yet it's simple enough.

Yes it’s simple but that doesn’t mean it is fair or reasonable. If a player sees a pass coming to them, it’s instinctive for them to catch it.

In a situation like that where it is pretty much impossible for the defending player to tell if the ball had brushed an opposition players arm, I think it’s harsh to punish a player the same as if he’d deliberately committed a foul. But that’s just me.