BridKnight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Knights placed 17th with 10.05 points. 10th Toulouse 11th Wakefield 12th Leigh 13th Castleford 14th Bradford 15th Featherstone 16th Widnes 17th York Interesting - lots of controversy already! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeb1 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 more or less where clint predicted , plenty of work to do in 2024 so lets get on with it, up the knights 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expatknight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Just now, georgeb1 said: more or less where clint predicted , plenty of work to do in 2024 so lets get on with it, up the knights As you say plenty of work to do , and need big season in 2024 which hopefully will result in better attendances to boost the score, it will be interesting to see what happens to London in 2025 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expatknight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 apparently Cas aren't happy and have appealed, which is odd as these are only indicative rankings and not the final ranking which will be issued after season 2024, as it stands Toulouse would be in, London would be out, but it could and probably will all change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishknight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 I think 17th is about right, pity we can't have an academy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expatknight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, Expatknight said: apparently Cas aren't happy and have appealed, which is odd as these are only indicative rankings and not the final ranking which will be issued after season 2024, as it stands Toulouse would be in, London would be out, but it could and probably will all change. It’s not just Cas who are kicking off now, Keighley are insulted and Featherstone , predictably, think their grading should have put them in Super League. It’s quite funny really when you think about it, and so Rugby League!!! No wonder people outside the game don’t take us seriously! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaxbyKnight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) Look on the bright side. The landfill site is so close to being back where it thinks it belongs. What a joke that they can be ranked so highly. Edited October 25, 2023 by HaxbyKnight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookesp Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Would be good to see how the scores are put together. How are Bradford so high ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeb1 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 41 minutes ago, Expatknight said: It’s not just Cas who are kicking off now, Keighley are insulted and Featherstone , predictably, think their grading should have put them in Super League. It’s quite funny really when you think about it, and so Rugby League!!! No wonder people outside the game don’t take us seriously! Not rovers complaining there hard done by , surely not 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nige Arro Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Oh so close for Fev Sounds familiar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Expatknight said: It’s not just Cas who are kicking off now, Keighley are insulted and Featherstone , predictably, think their grading should have put them in Super League. It’s quite funny really when you think about it, and so Rugby League!!! No wonder people outside the game don’t take us seriously! 43 minutes ago, georgeb1 said: Not rovers complaining there hard done by , surely not I wish people would read things, Fev's board take on it is an interesting read, the statement can be found here: http://bit.ly/3s8tOld Our board's take on it and why we voted against the IMG grading proposal was that a "B" grade team winning the championship should be able to replace the lowest "B" rated team in SL. I.e. that the promotion and relegation part from SL should be based on the pitch not whether you as a club have fancy advertising boards and the next club hasn't, etc. 1 1 I'm sure I'll think of something funny to say soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKnight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, spanishknight said: I think 17th is about right, pity we can't have an academy Clubs don't pick up points for having an Academy - they do for having a Foundation (as we do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Wilson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 York are theoretically the 5th best club outside Super League then, which is pretty much where they've finished in the Championship since 2019 (3rd, 7th, 5th, 6th). Lots of potential for improvement too. Happy with that! Cas dropping to 13th for filling the form out wrong is very, very funny. Keighley calling it all an 'insult' and the 'spreadsheet era of rugby league' Fev straight up accusing clubs of lying about attendances. All in all, a great day on Twitter. 2 1 @GavWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKnight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 2 hours ago, georgeb1 said: more or less where clint predicted , plenty of work to do in 2024 so lets get on with it, up the knights Yes, the exact position he said we'd have in the recent video interview. Mark is dragged down a little by our 9th place finish two seasons ago, plus our average gate being less than 2,000. Plenty to do, and plenty to play for (I personally don't get the thrill of being promoted as a part-time team to SL, having to sack off the players who got you there, then trying to recruit the leftover players that other teams don't want, only to be relegated straight away ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevo56 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Age old problem in York,not enough people watch the game here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav Wilson Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 51 minutes ago, stevo56 said: Age old problem in York,not enough people watch the game here. 4.5k v Bradford 2018 3.5k v Catalans 2018 3k v Whitehaven 2018 4k v Toronto 2019 3k v Toulouse 2019 Plenty north of 2.5k in the new gaff, a few north of 3k 8k in the RLWC last year 4.5k for the Valkyrie Grand Final two weeks ago They do if its a big enough game. 4 @GavWilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puk Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, stevo56 said: Age old problem in York,not enough people watch the game here. Understand that the crowds do come into the IMG Gradings ,but on the whole we seem to be holding on to our support,Clint did try to come up with different things through out last season which didn't really work to attract supporters to the games,but we do need to increase our gates some how to move the knights forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick the Miller Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 hours ago, BridKnight said: Knights placed 17th with 10.05 points. 10th Toulouse 11th Wakefield 12th Leigh 13th Castleford 14th Bradford 15th Featherstone 16th Widnes 17th York Interesting - lots of controversy already! Is there anyway to find out what we actually scored in each of the five categories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKnight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mick the Miller said: Is there anyway to find out what we actually scored in each of the five categories? The fine-grained detail on the rankings is apparently for the clubs to choose to disclose or not - RFL are not doing it. There is a strong case for more to be disclosed, if only to head off the wild accusations and conspiracy theories that have started circulating today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fevrover Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Expatknight said: It’s not just Cas who are kicking off now, Keighley are insulted and Featherstone , predictably, think their grading should have put them in Super League. It’s quite funny really when you think about it, and so Rugby League!!! No wonder people outside the game don’t take us seriously! They don't take us seriously because the game keeps changing every season and even some clubs and supporters don't know what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick the Miller Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 32 minutes ago, RBKnight said: The fine-grained detail on the rankings is apparently for the clubs to choose to disclose or not - RFL are not doing it. There is a strong case for more to be disclosed, if only to head off the wild accusations and conspiracy theories that have started circulating today. Can't understand why Bradford are 2 points above us for the past 2 years apart from fan base. They came 9th in 2022 and made a loss of about £250k, have borrowings of about £1M and their stadium and pitch is nothing compared to ours. They have not been in SL for years due to past history. Even there women's team is in SL2. Maybe they get bonus points because Nobby and Wood are involved???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nige Arro Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Gav Wilson said: York are theoretically the 5th best club outside Super League then, which is pretty much where they've finished in the Championship since 2019 (3rd, 7th, 5th, 6th). Lots of potential for improvement too. Happy with that! Cas dropping to 13th for filling the form out wrong is very, very funny. Keighley calling it all an 'insult' and the 'spreadsheet era of rugby league' Fev straight up accusing clubs of lying about attendances. All in all, a great day on Twitter. Did they spell cas wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB Knight Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) I don’t think there’s any kind of conspiracy with Bradford. I’m not a fan of the club but if you compare them against York you can see why they are slightly ahead. Full grading criteria below: Fandom: I don’t think we’ve averaged more than Bulls in years. Online (digital engagement) if it’s because of likes, comments etc I’d estimate Bulls are way out in front. They have 38k followers against 9.5k for York. Performance: York have finished 3rd, 7th, 5th, 6th. Bulls 6th, 5th, 9th, 3rd. Not much in it. Finances: I don’t know enough about either clubs finances. If I had to guess, their income will be a lot higher. Revenue streams; I imagine Bulls are getting a lot more with that huge 2 storey hospitality stand behind the sticks. Stadium: I’d have to see the exact criteria for this. I don’t know if they look at how run down a facility is or capacity, number of seats etc. I feel our match day experience is something we fall behind on, but as some have said on here previously, they come to watch the rugby not all the razzmatazz around it. For me that mindset and culture is something we have to improve, it’s not enough to just play a couple of songs over the PA before a match. Having The Skylights was a good step forward. Utilisation - again tricky to know what they mean. Odsal has 3 stands open on match day, we often only have 1 or 2. Community: Unsure how our foundation compares with Bulls. Not an awful lot of competition here for supporters. Our local derby is Fev 30 ish miles away (does this mean we score higher or lower?). Bulls have/had Halifax, Keighley almost on their doorstep. Again I’m not a fan of Bradford but you can see why they still score relatively highly. —————— Fandom [5 points]: Taking in attendances, memberships and digital engagement with fans Performance [5 pts]: Teams rated 1-36 in terms of league position over three seasons, with bonuses for league/cup wins Finances [4.5 pts]: Income, financial stability, diversity of revenue streams and business performance Stadium [3 pts]: Quality of facility, match-day experience, capacity, utilisation Community [1 pt for foundation, 1.5pts for catchment area]: Success of foundations as charitable arms, and how much competition for supporters in local area. Edited October 25, 2023 by AB Knight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANO Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Pretty much irrelevant in my view if you can’t play rugby 1 sometimes you have to take a step backwards to move forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeb1 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 9 hours ago, DEANO said: Pretty much irrelevant in my view if you can’t play rugby As stated by AB above performance is joint highest scorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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