Rant thread

[Phil]

What do you mean exactly buy "roof turning" Phil? Not an expression I've heard before.

I don't have slates on my roof I have stone slabs, they've been there for, I don't know, over a hundred years because of weathering they need turning, literally turned upside down

[gazza77]

Selling things online. I've been trying to sell a rarely used camera lens. First stop, a Facebook camera equipment page, where I got nothing other than comments of "I want to buy it, but can't afford it". Second stop gumtree, where I got nothing other than offers of around 50% of the asking price from people pleading poverty. "I really need this lens, but can't afford one. Will you let me have it for half price?"

Last stop eBay. 10 day auction, several bidders. 24 hours after the end, the winning bidder (900+ positive feedback) decides they don't want it as their grandson allegedly logged on and bid without permission. Relisted, once again several bidders. Winning bidder doesn't pay or respond to any correspondence. Annoyed doesn't start to describe my thoughts.

Edited November 19, 2016 by gazza77

[Ramite]

It a rant thread, so feel free to rant. My rant remains this: £369 million, not a penny more.No cost over runs, no delays.

Good luck with that I think you'll find the companies interested in that type of contacting will be Bodgeit and Co and Cowboys R Us. As for no delays thank fully Grade 1 listed buildings are straight forward to work on and nothing unexpected can arise.

[ckn]

Good luck with that I think you'll find the companies interested in that type of contacting will be Bodgeit and Co and Cowboys R Us. As for no delays thank fully Grade 1 listed buildings are straight forward to work on and nothing unexpected can arise.

Why? Do "reputable" companies expect to have cost overruns? I'd expect any company to build slack into their costs, if they can't deliver to a cost then I'd be suspicious that they haven't actually understood what needs to be done.

Admittedly on a smaller scope but my projects teams operate on fixed price basis. We're currently delivering about £20m of projects on that basis, if we overrun or haven't got our costs right then that's our problem.

[Ramite]

By the nature of refurbing buildings of this type will.mean there things that can't be accounted for until work starts. It's not like making a million widgets. Not matter the surveys done before , until you start to open up buildings like this only then will things become apparent.

[hindle xiii]

Admittedly on a smaller scope but my projects teams operate on fixed price basis. We're currently delivering about £20m of projects on that basis, if we overrun or haven't got our costs right then that's our problem.

We know, we all got sent the email.

[hindle xiii]

By the nature of refurbing buildings of this type will.mean there things that can't be accounted for until work starts. It's not like making a million widgets. Not matter the surveys done before , until you start to open up buildings like this only then will things become apparent.

Princess Di bricked up behind the fireplace?

[Saintslass]

Spending £369 million of public money doing up a fabulously rich family's London townhouse.

I need my roof turning anyone wanna chip in or shall I go straight to the government for the dosh?

Except the fabulously rich family you refer to doesn't actually own the townhouse of which you speak.  If you lived in a house you didn't own would asking you to pay for wholesale vital safety repairs be justifiable?  My guess is you wouldn't think so and I'd agree with you.

 

Of course we can wait until it burns down and then spend gazillions more repairing it.  But then it wouldn't be Buck House as we know it and the revenue it brings to the UK economy might not be the same as a result.

[Griff9of13]

Except the fabulously rich family you refer to doesn't actually own the townhouse of which you speak. If you lived in a house you didn't own would asking you to pay for wholesale vital safety repairs be justifiable? My guess is you wouldn't think so and I'd agree with you.

Of course we can wait until it burns down and then spend gazillions more repairing it. But then it wouldn't be Buck House as we know it and the revenue it brings to the UK economy might not be the same as a result.

If you're going to make those sorts of comparisons how much rent do they pay? If they pay a comparative amount for their property to you and I out of their vast private wealth then fair enough.

[gingerjon]

But then it wouldn't be Buck House as we know it and the revenue it brings to the UK economy might not be the same as a result.

 

Ah.

 

One of those people who think we need a Royal Family to make tourists come here.

 

And that a Buck House that no one can enter anyway is some kind of investment for the people.

[JohnM]

The last few posts arent rants. They are the febrile meanderings of the TRL republican massive. Clearly the issues are above their heads....like those for Brexit.

[gingerjon]

The last few posts arent rants. They are the febrile meanderings of the TRL republican massive. Clearly the issues are above their heads....like those for Brexit.

 

Just keep tugging your forelock at those better than you.

[Griff9of13]

The last few posts arent rants. They are the febrile meanderings of the TRL republican massive. Clearly the issues are above their heads....like those for Brexit.

I see you're still responding to what you think people are saying rather than what they actually said.

[Shadow]

Ah.

One of those people who think we need a Royal Family to make tourists come here.

And that a Buck House that no one can enter anyway is some kind of investment for the people.

I may disagree with Saintslass on a number of issues but not on this one.

At no point did she mention the Royal Family as a tourist attraction, the palace and other royal residences are attractions in their own right, in the same way as the palace at Versailles and the White House are attractions.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Shadow

[gingerjon]

I may disagree with Saintslass on a number of issues but not on this one.

At no point did she mention the Royal Family as a tourist attraction, the palace and other royal residences are attractions in their own right, in the same way as the palace at Versailles and the White House are attractions.

 

You don't need to maintain the interior of Buck House, or have an expensive family living within, to keep it as the attraction it currently is.

 

People can't go in. Tourists walk to the gates and then walk away.

[Shadow]

 

People can't go in. Tourists walk to the gates and then walk away.

Apart from the ones that go in

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace

[gingerjon]

Apart from the ones that go in

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace

 

£80 a ticket.

[Phil]

The last few posts arent rants. They are the febrile meanderings of the TRL republican massive. Clearly the issues are above their heads....like those for Brexit.

Of course being a republican or a socialist or anarchist are all political positions which we are hopefully free to adopt or not. I'm a reasonably intelligent and responsible adult (I believe!!) and therefore don't feel even slightly put out that you think discussions on topics such as these are "above my head"

Thank you

[ckn]

The last few posts arent rants. They are the febrile meanderings of the TRL republican massive. Clearly the issues are above their heads....like those for Brexit.

What's wrong with ranting at the royal family?  If we solely funded the immediate inheritance chain of Queen + husband, Crown Prince and wife and 2nd in line plus family then I'd grudgingly accept it.  What I don't accept is the likes of Prince Andrew getting the funding, freedom and roles he has while pretending to represent the country while actually representing his own narrow wants & needs.  What I also don't accept is a family that get everything provided for them from a Sovereign Grant, that's gone by way above inflation year after year since 2010 totalling a 38% rise in that time, yet sit on a cash pile of over £300m PLUS their income will be raised from 15% of the Crown Estates profit to 25%.  Prince Charles alone gets over £20m per year from his "private" estates yet still gets a substantial income from the Sovereign Grant.

 

What I don't get is someone who has repeatedly defended the unacceptable outcomes on the poor of austerity politics for the last six years then defending a family of privilege getting yet more privilege without having to take some of the pressure themselves.  Your previous poster-boy Cameron said "we're all in it together", clearly not, especially if you're a member of the privileged classes.

[Robin Evans]

I am massive tho.... and i don't feel marginalised by the comment....

[Saintslass]

You don't need to maintain the interior of Buck House, or have an expensive family living within, to keep it as the attraction it currently is.

 

People can't go in. Tourists walk to the gates and then walk away.

You do unless you want it to burn down or suffer flood damage.  Which other royal residence suffered fire damage a few years back?  The cost to the taxpayer of rebuilding was far bigger than it would have been had maintenance been undertaken appropriately.

 

All old buildings cost money to keep safe and keep upright.  The palace, like Windsor Castle and countless cathedrals and heaven knows what other heritage buildings we have in this country which encourage so many people to visit it, all cost large sums of money to maintain. 

 

This is just another of those costs which wouldn't have been so high had it not been neglected for so long, the responsibility of governments of all shades over the last 20 years.

[Saintslass]

 

What I don't get is someone who has repeatedly defended the unacceptable outcomes on the poor of austerity politics for the last six years then defending a family of privilege getting yet more privilege without having to take some of the pressure themselves.  Your previous poster-boy Cameron said "we're all in it together", clearly not, especially if you're a member of the privileged classes.

The 'family of privilege' does a lot of work for the UK. 

 

The Queen is to entertain Trump next summer.  For that alone she should be given extra dosh.

 

You should move to Scotland.  They've refused to pay their share towards the royal upkeep.

[Shadow]

£80 a ticket.

£39.50

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/visit/the-state-rooms-buckingham-palace/plan-your-visit

 

Besides which you are now changing your argument. Originally you said people couldn't go in, I've shown you they can. 

[Shadow]

You do unless you want it to burn down or suffer flood damage.  Which other royal residence suffered fire damage a few years back?  The cost to the taxpayer of rebuilding was far bigger than it would have been had maintenance been undertaken appropriately.

 

All old buildings cost money to keep safe and keep upright.  The palace, like Windsor Castle and countless cathedrals and heaven knows what other heritage buildings we have in this country which encourage so many people to visit it, all cost large sums of money to maintain. 

 

This is just another of those costs which wouldn't have been so high had it not been neglected for so long, the responsibility of governments of all shades over the last 20 years.

Shadow in agreement with Saintslass shocker 

Edited November 20, 2016 by Shadow

[Griff9of13]

Shadow in agreement with Saintslass shocker 

 

You'ii be agreeing with the ideas of your former school chum next. It's a slippery slope.