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8 hours ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

You think you win all fights by taking people head on?  Box clever.

You initially mentioned that all parties should get round a table and work out a compromise. That is fine to a point. I understand that compromising can be part of negotiating and does serve a purpose to a point. I'm also not saying that we throw diplomacy, politeness & courtesy and out of the window in negotiating with these people. But we do need to be firm in our core beliefs.

We should not be compromising by agreeing to be treated worse than other sports & accept less than the bare basics of what other sports operate by. To me that isn't boxing clever. That's making a rod for our own back. It's sending out a message that we are prepared to be discriminated against, & sets a precedent that could be used against RL in future negotiations with Greek authorities, & in other nations where RL is in it's infancy. We have had over 100 years of more or less reluctantly accepting discrimination which has got us nowhere and significantly contributed to why the sport was only played in 4 or 5 nations up to 1995.

I'm certainly not saying any of this is easy and will be solved quickly, & certainly don't have all the answers, but by getting round a table and basically agreeing to hastily waive some basic rights enjoyed by virtually every other sport in the hope that over time the authorities may see the error of their ways is not boxing clever. It's just agreeing to accept discrimination.
 

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Just found this article on 'Everything Rugby League' which gives a comprehensive account of the situation in Greece. I know it's a bit long but it's worth reading to get a grasp of what's going on & how this situation originated.

WORLD RUGBY LEAGUE STILL UNDERMINING OUR GAMES PROGRESS

 08 December 2018 - Written by Keith Whitelock

 

People need to stop using our game for their own personal gain.

Anyone reading this article has at least a passing interest in rugby league. Some readers have been avid fans their whole life, showing up to games, sharing in triumphs and bad times with the rugby league club you follow. A lesser but still significant percentage of readers may even play the game on a weekly basis, showing up to your local ground and playing the game with team mates who have since gone on to become friends. How far would you go to play the game you love? Would you play at 1am in the morning if this was the only time available at your local ground? Would you risk being arrested by police to have the feeling of breaking through that defensive line, wind blowing in your hair as the sound of chasing footsteps sound in your periphery? This sounds like a far fetched situation posing a completely hypothetical question however this is the reality currently facing rugby league players in Greece.

For context and perspective, we need to go back three years to 2015 where the sport in Greece was run by the Hellenic Rugby League Federation under stewardship of  Anastasios "Tasos" Pantazidis. After a year of questionable decisions, including allegations of financial indiscretions, four of the active five clubs signed a motion of no confidence against the then president of the organisation. In the ensuing squabble, one of these clubs backed down, leading to the breakaway of the other three clubs to go on and form their own competition.

It’s April 2015 and players, along with coaches and other people associated with this new competition sign a petition for the Rugby League European Federation (RLEF) to step in and take action. Numbering more than 100 signatories, the RLEF agrees to open an investigation in to the rapidly escalating situation. Pantazidis, as president of the organisation in question, is quick to label this breakaway competition as “rebels”.  The real name of the organisation became the aptly named Greek Rugby League Association and is headed up by experienced referee George Stilianos.

Everything Rugby League recently spoke with George who is aware how crazy this situation would seem to the average rugby league fan around the world. “They say truth is stranger than fiction, and I think this is the perfect example of that” says George. “Even sitting here… it all sounds just too far-fetched!”

Moving back to May 2015, the RLEF set their sights on mediating a resolution between the two organisations, investigating the causes that led things to get to this stage. Around this time, Pantazidis attends the RLEF Annual General Meeting in Belgrade, as he is entitled, to represent Greece as the recognised organisation at the time.

As the months go by, the original Hellenic Rugby League Federation start to struggle for playing numbers, having to forfeit their Euro Group C match against Malta. Things become slightly better for the HRLF as they manage to field a team for their match at home to Spain. The team struggle for cohesion, going down 76-4, with some positions needing to be filled by Rugby Union players who have never played rugby league before.

Initially, rugby league benefited from Pantazidis experience in the ministry of sport, having access a good network to help the game grow.  Now that there are two competitions, this key standing threatened to halt the progress of the game, as Pantazidis is speculated to be behind a campaign to deter venues from hosting any games associated with the GRLA (the rebel league).This is when the infamous “midnight game” happened.  In what is quite possibly a world record for the latest kick off to a game of rugby league, players took to the field at 12:15am, having to wait for the local football teams to complete their games. It wasn’t until 1:47am that the final whistle was blown between the Attica Rhinos and Rhodes Knights.

2016 rolls around and the now four team competition continues to play regular games whilst moves behind the scenes begin to have the GRLA registered as a legal entity in the Greek Courts.

Around this time as well, the matter escalates from the RLEF to the Rugby League International Federation (RLIF). RLIF CEO David Collier and RLEF Director of Central & Eastern Europe, Jovan Vujosevic visit Athens for an unannounced inspection visit, as both organisations are claiming to have regular Rugby League activity. The duo attends a GRLA match between the Aris Eagles and Rhodes Knights and are said to be impressed with the overall conduct of the match. The HFRL have two games scheduled for this same weekend which fail to eventuate, widely believed to be due to a lack of playing numbers.

In April 2016, the RLEF made its most drastic move yet, suspending the HFRL for “wilfully acting in a manner prejudicial to the interests of the RLEF and international rugby league" . Members of the RLEF voted 33-1 in favour of the resolution, while outlining plans to rehabilitate the sport in Greece.

One month later, Pantazidis. Sends out 'notice of fine and suspension' letters to all the players involved in filing the original complaint to the RLEF.  The more severe 'offenders' are given five-figure monetary fines and decade-long bans from the sport.

It was around this time that Pantazidis became President of the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon. This helped to give authority of the sport of Rugby League to the Hellenic Federation of Modern Pentathlon.

By August 2016, the RLEF had formally expelled the HFRL, with Danny Kazandijan stating ““We extended every opportunity to the HFRL to work together to ensure a transparent, collaborative approach to governance but, regrettably, there was no reciprocal will".

At the end of 2016, the GRLA added a team from Patra, Greece’s third largest city. At this time, Rhodes hosts a tournament which is said to have attracted over 100 participants, including a Turkish XIII which played in an historic friendly. This proved to be the start of a relationship with Turkey which saw George and fellow Serbian colleague Radoslav Novakovic travel to Istanbul to conduct a match officials course as the inaugural Turkish Rugby League season was about to kick off.

February 2017 saw a landmark moment for the GRLA, with the Greek courts formally approving their application as a legal entity. This was shortly followed by another pivotal moment where the GRLA was granted Observer status by the RLEF. During this time, George travels to Istanbul to referee the Grand Final of the Turkish Rugby league.

On the back of a string of successful moments, the GRLA announces it plans to send a team to Serbia, solely made up on domestic players. Pantazidis strongly objected to these plans and decides to take the GRLA to court with the aim of preventing them playing under the Greek identity. This included the national anthem and colours. George also claims that Pantazidis also urged the court to warn participants of a one-year of house arrest and fines of €100,000, electing to represent the GRLA himself along with Aris Dardamanis.

The next month, the court rules against the motion set by the HRFL, paving the way for the GRLA to tour Serbia and represent Greece against both Serbia and Bulgaria.

March 2018 saw the GRLA progress through the RLEF levels again to be awarded Affiliate Member status as the domestic competitions adds a fifth team, this time from the city of Larisa. A relatively consistent domestic scene enables the GRLA to send three teams to participate in the Balkan Super League, an international club competition consisting of teams from Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Turkey and Bosnia and Herzegovina. The Greek teams hold their own, each gaining one win and one loss.

By now we are in May / June 2018. It was around this time that things started to get even nastier, as legal action is taken against venue owners around the country if they allow GRLA matches to be played. Police show up the 70th minute of a Balkan Super League match in Athens between the Attica Rhinos and Radnicki Nis of Serbia. Common sense partially prevails as the local authorities allow the teams to complete the final 10 minutes of the game as a representative from each club attends the police station for questioning and statements.

With the GRLA recognised by the RLEF as the authority to run rugby league in Greece, a team travels to Kharkiv, Ukraine to participate in 2021 Rugby League World Cup Qualifiers. They prevail 28-26.

Next came one of the more bizarre moments in the whole debacle as it was Greece’s turn to host a game in the World Cup Qualifiers, this time against Malta. Conscious of the current environment, the match is organised in top secret on the outskirts of Athens. Neither Malta staff nor Greek players were told where the match was being played, for fear of police intervention. Each team was given a meeting point and driven by bus to the venue with none of them knew the venue until they actually arrived there. The Greeks prevail again, beating Malta 60-4, a World Cup birth now in sight.

Not to be deterred, the 5 team domestic competition kicks off as planned with new participants AEL Larisa. During the time, legal action commences against the venue that staged the World Cup Qualifier between Greece and Malta. At this time, George Stilianos is summoned to local police station for questioning, specifically regarding a match that 'allegedly' happened in Larisa in April. If Greece beat Norway in May 2019, they find themselves just one stage before 2021 World Cup qualification.

It’s fair to say that situation has now reached crisis point, with GRLA players told not to upload any match photos and results of matches no longer being published for fear of legal action.

Now, at this stage of the article, you’re probably thinking one of two things (or both), this story is crazy, or “gee, this article is long”. Similar to a late night infomercial, I say “but wait, there’s more”.  Whilst all this was happening, Pantazidis also ran (and continues to run) a rebel international rugby league organisation in competitions to the RLIF (you know, the organisation that’s been running international rugby league since 1927). This organisation is called “World Rugby League”. A quick browse of the website raises eyebrows to say the least. Despite grossly incorrect claims that rugby league is a sport from ancient times, “3000 years old and still new”, the spelling and grammar would make a primary school English teacher fall off her chair.
 

greek54.jpg From their website 'World Rubgy League - 3000 years old and still new'

 

As unprofessional and amateur as this website seems to be, the organisation did prove to cause damage to Rugby League’s application to the Global Association of International Sports Federations (formally known as sport accord). At the same time Pole Dancing, Foot Golf and Kettlebell Lifting were accepted as Observer Sports, the RLIF’s application was declined. Later media reports published a combination of Rugby Union officials siting a rival governing body along with GAISF’s “rival governing body clause” itself.  2018 saw common sense prevail with Rugby League being given Observer Status by GAISF but the debacle was a bad look for the game.

“World Rugby League” claims at least 14 member countries, including Brazil and Argentina. Robert Burgin of the Latin Heat states these claims are completely false. “We have contacted this organisation to see why they would try to white-ant the development of two nations which has been conducted over the past six years with great sacrifice and volunteer effort. They have no verifiable presence or financial investment in either Brasil or Argentina. All players and teams which have competed in rugby league in both nations are aligned with the RLIF, as is Latin Heat Rugby League, which assists staging and coordinating activities. Nobody in Brazilian rugby league has heard of the supposed WRL contact for their nation. The Argentinian contact they list lives in Italy and is involved in rugby union. The moves of the WRL are a timely reminder why the RLIF needs to take a genuine role in supporting, guiding and communicating these two G20 nations through to full member status”. (Full disclosure, Rob is an occasional contributor to this website).

At the risk of adding more words to an already long piece, the situation in Greece is a timely reminder for those of us watching and playing the game we love in other countries to not take things for granted and appreciate each Rugby League spectacle we watch or participate in. It is hoped that this piece sheds light on an incredible bizarre but high stakes situation currently playing out in Greece. 

 

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3 hours ago, Pyjamarama said:

You initially mentioned that all parties should get round a table and work out a compromise. That is fine to a point. I understand that compromising can be part of negotiating and does serve a purpose to a point. I'm also not saying that we throw diplomacy, politeness & courtesy and out of the window in negotiating with these people. But we do need to be firm in our core beliefs.

We should not be compromising by agreeing to be treated worse than other sports & accept less than the bare basics of what other sports operate by. To me that isn't boxing clever. That's making a rod for our own back. It's sending out a message that we are prepared to be discriminated against, & sets a precedent that could be used against RL in future negotiations with Greek authorities, & in other nations where RL is in it's infancy. We have had over 100 years of more or less reluctantly accepting discrimination which has got us nowhere and significantly contributed to why the sport was only played in 4 or 5 nations up to 1995.

I'm certainly not saying any of this is easy and will be solved quickly, & certainly don't have all the answers, but by getting round a table and basically agreeing to hastily waive some basic rights enjoyed by virtually every other sport in the hope that over time the authorities may see the error of their ways is not boxing clever. It's just agreeing to accept discrimination.
 

So, whats your tactic for trying to removing the world rugby league and what it can become?

Also, getting the problems in Greece removed what would you do there?

Do we fully understand the motivation and aims of all involved in the world rugby league?

Do we realistically think we can make progress in Greece, if we are going against the local political power base head on?

At the end of the day you can't tell the Greek government what to do.

 

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1 hour ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

So, whats your tactic for trying to removing the world rugby league and what it can become?

Also, getting the problems in Greece removed what would you do there?

Do we fully understand the motivation and aims of all involved in the world rugby league?

Do we realistically think we can make progress in Greece, if we are going against the local political power base head on?

At the end of the day you can't tell the Greek government what to do.

It's not "the greek government", it's one rogue idiot!  Once he's moved aside, a lot of these problems will go away!

I appreciate that someone does have to play devil's advocate, but you are grasping at straws the more this goes on.  You say want WRL crushed, yet want to take a gentle round-table approach with them, and still haven't been able to explain exactly how that could ever work.

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41 minutes ago, langpark said:

It's not "the greek government", it's one rogue idiot!  Once he's moved aside, a lot of these problems will go away!

I appreciate that someone does have to play devil's advocate, but you are grasping at straws the more this goes on.  You say want WRL crushed, yet want to take a gentle round-table approach with them, and still haven't been able to explain exactly how that could ever work.

I want people to go and talk with one person in Greece and understand what he is trying to achieve.

Listen to his grievances, to understand the situation better.   

This is more complicated than your classic union shutting down league situation.

 This was a person people in league were dealing with a years back now we have a situation that has become completely antagonistic.  

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1 hour ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

I want people to go and talk with one person in Greece and understand what he is trying to achieve.

Listen to his grievances, to understand the situation better.   

This is more complicated than your classic union shutting down league situation.

 This was a person people in league were dealing with a years back now we have a situation that has become completely antagonistic.  

Please re-read the article and everything that has been posted so far.  The RLEF spend an entire year doing just that!  Then decided to suspend, and then expel him.

Perhaps that is directly linked to the antagonistic part?

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On 12/8/2018 at 3:49 PM, langpark said:

Please re-read the article and everything that has been posted so far.  The RLEF spend an entire year doing just that!  Then decided to suspend, and then expel him.

 

No way do I support what the WRL are doing and was shot down earlier for "Blaming the RLEF".

Some documented evidence has appreared on Facebook showing that the what we are calling the "rebel group" are actually the ONLY  LEGAL recognised group to promote govern and play rugby league in Greece.

You say "the RLEF has spent an entire year doing just that" !!!!

They have been sitting on this since 2004....  FOURTEEN YEARS !!!!!!!!

This is one of my post's from 2004 on another forum ..

"Just one question??
If you are all asking for nations to get NOC recognition, well the problem is if the International Board has not got it, how do the indivdual countries do it??

ONE MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR ANY NEW COUNTRY TAKING UP LEAGUE!!!!!

Believe me we have been through it and its a nightmare.

Until the International Board get GIASF or other international registration any new country will struggle to be recognised as an official body by their goverment.

All us new countries have to make a stand and tell the people at the top HOW HARD they are making it for us to get affiliated."

 

Greece Malta,Serbia were in this situation along with the Netherlands and I dare say most of the countries springing up around that time.

One reply (from a guy who is now on the RLEF board) in 2006..yes it was a continuous debate between developing nations...

 

"YANTO, rugby league aim must be to become member of GAIFS, because that will help development nations more than grants that they receive from IRLF and RLEF, because than, we our sport will be recognize in our countries totally and nobody will say to us that we and rugby union are same sports and we will with out problems like any other sports in ours countries receive grants from state (government)"

 

Its 14 years since membership with GIASF / Sport Accord / NOC's was raised with the RLEF.

I brought this up with Kevin Rudd at the time, not just on forums.

It is somewhere in the minutes of the  RLEF meetings yet the problem still exists and I am told the governing body of the game in Europe is blameless  ??

Now a LEGAL recognised group in Greece is stopping an Illegal group from playing the game and everyone is up in arms .

Sorry but we only have our selves to blame for this situation....individuals in Italy (gained CONTI membership) and Greece seem to have more knowledge of what is required than our governing body .

How can an organisation (RLEF) that is not recognised by the Greek NOC suspend and expel an individual / group who is recognised ???

We have problems especially when the Greek authorities could actually BAN Greece from playing Norway in the World Cup qualifiers.By Greek law this is the rebel group .

It would be interesting to see how many bodies in Europe have actually got official recognition by their respective NOC/ Sport organisations and how many are actually "illegal" or "not officially recognised" or worse still are ran under the umbrella of other sports, Norway RL is under the Norwegian Rugby Union for example.

I feel the answer would be shocking .

In reality any sport in Europe that is recognised by their NOC could in effect start a Rugby League competition ,register it under their control and kill any development dead overnight.

Scary but true ....look at what is happening in Greece .

That is how important GIASF membership is and has been since the RLEF were set up.

 

Documents from August 2018 that are currently posted on Facebook.

 

 

 

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On 12/10/2018 at 10:24 AM, yanto said:

No way do I support what the WRL are doing and was shot down earlier for "Blaming the RLEF".

Some documented evidence has appreared on Facebook showing that the what we are calling the "rebel group" are actually the ONLY  LEGAL recognised group to promote govern and play rugby league in Greece.

You say "the RLEF has spent an entire year doing just that" !!!!

They have been sitting on this since 2004....  FOURTEEN YEARS !!!!!!!!

This is one of my post's from 2004 on another forum ..

"Just one question??
If you are all asking for nations to get NOC recognition, well the problem is if the International Board has not got it, how do the indivdual countries do it??

ONE MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR ANY NEW COUNTRY TAKING UP LEAGUE!!!!!

Believe me we have been through it and its a nightmare.

Until the International Board get GIASF or other international registration any new country will struggle to be recognised as an official body by their goverment.

All us new countries have to make a stand and tell the people at the top HOW HARD they are making it for us to get affiliated."

 

Greece Malta,Serbia were in this situation along with the Netherlands and I dare say most of the countries springing up around that time.

One reply (from a guy who is now on the RLEF board) in 2006..yes it was a continuous debate between developing nations...

 

"YANTO, rugby league aim must be to become member of GAIFS, because that will help development nations more than grants that they receive from IRLF and RLEF, because than, we our sport will be recognize in our countries totally and nobody will say to us that we and rugby union are same sports and we will with out problems like any other sports in ours countries receive grants from state (government)"

 

Its 14 years since membership with GIASF / Sport Accord / NOC's was raised with the RLEF.

I brought this up with Kevin Rudd at the time, not just on forums.

It is somewhere in the minutes of the  RLEF meetings yet the problem still exists and I am told the governing body of the game in Europe is blameless  ??

Now a LEGAL recognised group in Greece is stopping an Illegal group from playing the game and everyone is up in arms .

Sorry but we only have our selves to blame for this situation....individuals in Italy (gained CONTI membership) and Greece seem to have more knowledge of what is required than our governing body .

How can an organisation (RLEF) that is not recognised by the Greek NOC suspend and expel an individual / group who is recognised ???

We have problems especially when the Greek authorities could actually BAN Greece from playing Norway in the World Cup qualifiers.By Greek law this is the rebel group .

It would be interesting to see how many bodies in Europe have actually got official recognition by their respective NOC/ Sport organisations and how many are actually "illegal" or "not officially recognised" or worse still are ran under the umbrella of other sports, Norway RL is under the Norwegian Rugby Union for example.

I feel the answer would be shocking .

In reality any sport in Europe that is recognised by their NOC could in effect start a Rugby League competition ,register it under their control and kill any development dead overnight.

Scary but true ....look at what is happening in Greece .

That is how important GIASF membership is and has been since the RLEF were set up.

 

Documents from August 2018 that are currently posted on Facebook.

 

 

 

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Looks very much like a Greek government document to me.

 

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On 12/10/2018 at 10:24 AM, yanto said:

No way do I support what the WRL are doing and was shot down earlier for "Blaming the RLEF".

Some documented evidence has appreared on Facebook showing that the what we are calling the "rebel group" are actually the ONLY  LEGAL recognised group to promote govern and play rugby league in Greece.

You say "the RLEF has spent an entire year doing just that" !!!!

They have been sitting on this since 2004....  FOURTEEN YEARS !!!!!!!!

This is one of my post's from 2004 on another forum ..

"Just one question??
If you are all asking for nations to get NOC recognition, well the problem is if the International Board has not got it, how do the indivdual countries do it??

ONE MASSIVE PROBLEM FOR ANY NEW COUNTRY TAKING UP LEAGUE!!!!!

Believe me we have been through it and its a nightmare.

Until the International Board get GIASF or other international registration any new country will struggle to be recognised as an official body by their goverment.

All us new countries have to make a stand and tell the people at the top HOW HARD they are making it for us to get affiliated."

 

Greece Malta,Serbia were in this situation along with the Netherlands and I dare say most of the countries springing up around that time.

One reply (from a guy who is now on the RLEF board) in 2006..yes it was a continuous debate between developing nations...

 

"YANTO, rugby league aim must be to become member of GAIFS, because that will help development nations more than grants that they receive from IRLF and RLEF, because than, we our sport will be recognize in our countries totally and nobody will say to us that we and rugby union are same sports and we will with out problems like any other sports in ours countries receive grants from state (government)"

 

Its 14 years since membership with GIASF / Sport Accord / NOC's was raised with the RLEF.

I brought this up with Kevin Rudd at the time, not just on forums.

It is somewhere in the minutes of the  RLEF meetings yet the problem still exists and I am told the governing body of the game in Europe is blameless  ??

Now a LEGAL recognised group in Greece is stopping an Illegal group from playing the game and everyone is up in arms .

Sorry but we only have our selves to blame for this situation....individuals in Italy (gained CONTI membership) and Greece seem to have more knowledge of what is required than our governing body .

How can an organisation (RLEF) that is not recognised by the Greek NOC suspend and expel an individual / group who is recognised ???

We have problems especially when the Greek authorities could actually BAN Greece from playing Norway in the World Cup qualifiers.By Greek law this is the rebel group .

It would be interesting to see how many bodies in Europe have actually got official recognition by their respective NOC/ Sport organisations and how many are actually "illegal" or "not officially recognised" or worse still are ran under the umbrella of other sports, Norway RL is under the Norwegian Rugby Union for example.

I feel the answer would be shocking .

In reality any sport in Europe that is recognised by their NOC could in effect start a Rugby League competition ,register it under their control and kill any development dead overnight.

Scary but true ....look at what is happening in Greece .

That is how important GIASF membership is and has been since the RLEF were set up.

 

Documents from August 2018 that are currently posted on Facebook.

 

 

 

47574823_2230322703902017_5386904474071597056_o.jpg

47679839_2230322683902019_4138739501285507072_o.jpg

Yes once again this is not new information if you had actually read the thread, Pantazidis gained official backing by making RL an affiliate of the pentathlon federation, the GRLA rightly did not want to be an affiliate of modern pentathlon and wanted to wait until they were eligible to apply for recognition in their own right. You've literally gone on to state in your post that affiliating as part of another sport is a bad thing in general so not sure what the hell you're talking about.

As for your comment, no, Pantizidis cannot shut down the Greek national team, this was established in courts by the RLEF. Again, this information was already posted if you had just read the thread. http://rlif.com/article/8331/court-upholds-greek-rugby-league-association-position

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modern pentathlon have issued a statement through their twitter feed (dont know how to link it here) saying they have nothing to do with it, and that the Greek organisation is in good standing with them.. glossing over the fact that they have RL under their umbrella and the head of the Greek Modern Pentathlon is simply stopping people playing sport. 

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For those who mentioned the Italians getting recognised by CONI, it's simply not true as rugby league is not in the list of sports recognised by the Italian Olympic Committee. What happened is just that the rebels have been "recognised" by the rugby union federation. So, they just made our game be considered just a version of rugby union, like 7s. If this is what you want for our game...

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On 12/12/2018 at 7:06 PM, TheLegendOfTexEvans said:

Looks very much like a Greek government document to me.

 

Guess not.

According to some posts it's all been sorted, despite midnight kick offs, undisclosed venues and police intervention everything is in hand.

Any way I have had a chat in private with guys closer to the ground and will take their view of things. 

Let's see how it all pans out and hopefully with the Greece v Norway game being played in London it can go ahead at a normal time, in an advertised venue without police having to be called. 

 

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2 hours ago, yanto said:

Guess not.

According to some posts it's all been sorted, despite midnight kick offs, undisclosed venues and police intervention everything is in hand.

Any way I have had a chat in private with guys closer to the ground and will take their view of things. 

Let's see how it all pans out and hopefully with the Greece v Norway game being played in London it can go ahead at a normal time, in an advertised venue without police having to be called. 

 

Dont get me wrong I am not taking sides.

But at some point we need to consider the realities of a local dispute.

 

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On 12/7/2018 at 11:13 AM, Pyjamarama said:

In response to Steve Mascords tweet.


So what has changed since May to ensure that this scenario doesn't reoccur next season or the season after that..& on & on? 
The Greek RLA obviously feel that nothing has changed, stating that the Hellenic Modern Pentathlon Federation are still in control of Greek RL, & who have a president that is completely hostile to the Greek RLA for his own ends. That's why it's imperative that this is sorted out now & not kicked down the road until the next 'incident' occurs. It's this kind of easy acceptance by RL against the garbage RL has had to put up with that almost feeds it's continuance. If they can get away with it, why stop?
 

"news" = stuff that's new. News, like milk, expires. This is a feature story now, not a news story and I don't write rugby league features anymore.

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For those who are under the impression that this is not being considered, and has not been given attention, that is not so. Whether it will be resolved satisfactorily remains to be seen, but time, effort and money is being spent on sorting out WRL and the Tasos conundrum. 

As for GAISF, as has been touched on above, we have made progress over the last 12 months and have a clear path to full recognition. Essentially, RLIF needs to get 40 plus members, and people (not me) are working very hard to get there. For all the brick bats being thrown in their direction,  there are currently good people working hard behind the scenes on these areas. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

For those who are under the impression that this is not being considered, and has not been given attention, that is not so. Whether it will be resolved satisfactorily remains to be seen, but time, effort and money is being spent on sorting out WRL and the Tasos conundrum. 

As for GAISF, as has been touched on above, we have made progress over the last 12 months and have a clear path to full recognition. Essentially, RLIF needs to get 40 plus members, and people (not me) are working very hard to get there. For all the brick bats being thrown in their direction,  there are currently good people working hard behind the scenes on these areas. 

 

Is that forty full members EW?


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Having been to Greece and observed local 'justice' plus reading events about how 'justice' is often administered there, then this situation doesn't surprise me at all. 


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53 minutes ago, deluded pom? said:

Is that forty full members EW?

It is, though there are, as you would expect, some grey areas as to what constitutes “full”. The RLIF tests are not the same, which is no surprise. If the test was affiliates then the hurdle would be cleared easily of course. 

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6 hours ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

It is, though there are, as you would expect, some grey areas as to what constitutes “full”. The RLIF tests are not the same, which is no surprise. If the test was affiliates then the hurdle would be cleared easily of course. 

No, it's not.  There are only 17 full RLIF members at the moment:  http://rlif.com/members

I believe it's to do with govt. recognition, which is not easy to achieve in some countries.  So it seems there are 22 that currently have that, and apparently we need another 18 in order to become full GAISF members.

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33 minutes ago, langpark said:

No, it's not.  There are only 17 full RLIF members at the moment:  http://rlif.com/members

I believe it's to do with govt. recognition, which is not easy to achieve in some countries.  So it seems there are 22 that currently have that, and apparently we need another 18 in order to become full GAISF members.

The wording in the GAISF constitution is about being recognised by the national olympic body, or ministry of sports, so a surprisingly high bar, and I imagine that more than a few federations have been told 'but we already recognise XYU as the administrators of rugby'.

Also, don't forget that Wales and Scotland are full members, so that knocks the number of olympic countries down by two.

Plus it looks like RLIreland has lost recognition, it won it in 2011, but is definitely not listed on the members page of the Irish sport council. So that's 19.

Jamica's profile here implies that they aren't recognised: https://www.rlef.eu.com/teams/9

Even France isn't listed here: http://espritbleu.franceolympique.com/espritbleu/actus/3003-sports.html, despite artistic roller skating being members! Maybe I'm going wrong somewhere?

I'd be interested in seeing list of countries that do recognise RL, so we can try and work put what's stopping the others.

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Some Nations do not actually have a  Sports Ministry, but just an Olympics Sports Authority. Germany for example is one. And whether Rugby League would be in GAISF/Sport Accord would make no difference, as the German RL would not get any extra help or money from its Olympic Sport Federation. But they are  legally recognized Federation and have gone through the legal system to be recognized. Each land is different and some will be recognized by Sporting Authorites and others in a legal way. Rugby League is not an Olympic Sport. Thats why know a number of RL members that are legally recognised in their Nation, but are not in the Olymic Sports  Federation of that Land.

Rugby Union also is not an.Olympics Sport but has used 7s to often get in. But they often can only spend any money on the 7s side but not 15s. But it does open some doors for the 15s.

 

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On 12/17/2018 at 4:14 PM, steavis said:

"news" = stuff that's new. News, like milk, expires. This is a feature story now, not a news story and I don't write rugby league features anymore.

I'm no expert, but this sure looks like a feature story to me:

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