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5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It ain't true. 

ok


the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence but the crows are just as black

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I think this evidences just how far the international game has come in the last 15 years and what the opportunity is moving forward.

A second string England defeating Tonga and Samoa in front of 2k and 6k while today England Samoa would be a big game in it's own right and England Tonga would be a blockbuster. 

As a sport, we have a huge opportunity over the next two years, we must not blow it.

We are very very very unlikely to see England v Tonga.

In fact the likelihood is that this golden era of Tongan RL will only see them play England once and never over here. 

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8 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

We are very very very unlikely to see England v Tonga.

In fact the likelihood is that this golden era of Tongan RL will only see them play England once and never over here. 

In fairness though we shouldn't be reliant on World Cups for that, we should be able to organise tests and tours beyond Oz and NZ.

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40 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Robinson scored 8 tries for Great Britain and 3 for England.

https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/jason-robinson/summary.html

Rugby League Project is a fantastic website.

GJ may have looked at Wikipedia, which says 12 GB caps, 7 England caps, 1 RotW cap, and "()" points. 


"Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill)

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On 16/01/2020 at 13:10, Jasper said:

Great coverage.  But from the Sky correspondent outside of Buck House on 8.30am news this morning "Would we be here reporting on the Rugby League World Cup draw if Prince Harry wasn't involved - probably not." Sad but true.

OK but it shows what a Royal, well placed, can do for you. Despite all those who moaned about him.

The write up in the Independent this morning was very positive.

Half a page, with a pic of Harry holding the balls. Well done RFL for aiming high. 

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

In fairness though we shouldn't be reliant on World Cups for that, we should be able to organise tests and tours beyond Oz and NZ.

Absolutely not. 

But getting these second tier teams over here is only happening every 8 years. 

I think we are putting a square peg in a round hole trying to be football when it doesnt really match our game. 

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23 hours ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:


high profile idiot gets involved in rugby league draw...

Hatie Katie is one of the lowest forms of life this country has ever produce.

Just a shame the RFL can't sue her again.

Anyway she was wrong and that's cheered up my day 

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17 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Absolutely not. 

But getting these second tier teams over here is only happening every 8 years. 

I think we are putting a square peg in a round hole trying to be football when it doesnt really match our game. 

The proof will be in the pudding I suppose. I'm not convinced people just want these top teams forced against each other in an overly artificial way. 

The crowds have been relatively average, and we have seen games versus Fiji and Ireland attract more than some games against the Kiwis. 

We have to get the balance right, we have games against the Aussies and Kiwis, I would be perfectly happy if we didn't play them in the WC, but we do have to make sure we arrange games against this '2nd tier' opposition more regularly. 

I think this WC could be a game changer. If we sellout the Samoa opener which we really should, it would be massive, and we'd need to capitalise on that. A 50k crowd for ab International not involving Aus or NZ would be huge. 

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36 minutes ago, Dave T said:

The proof will be in the pudding I suppose. I'm not convinced people just want these top teams forced against each other in an overly artificial way. 

The crowds have been relatively average, and we have seen games versus Fiji and Ireland attract more than some games against the Kiwis. 

We have to get the balance right, we have games against the Aussies and Kiwis, I would be perfectly happy if we didn't play them in the WC, but we do have to make sure we arrange games against this '2nd tier' opposition more regularly. 

I think this WC could be a game changer. If we sellout the Samoa opener which we really should, it would be massive, and we'd need to capitalise on that. A 50k crowd for ab International not involving Aus or NZ would be huge. 

I think, as I've said earlier in the thread, everything we are doing regarding the WC has been great.

And a well organised, well marketed world cup will he very successful. 

I think we will get the best crowds ever for a world cup. 

But I think neither the WC nor the international game is going to fulfil its potential trying to be something else or just copying other sports.

I think we have limited ourselves in this format and I think sticking to it because others do it will be a mistake..

And I dont necessarily just mean not having the super group format, there is an infinite number of permutations out there. I'd be really surprised if this was the best format for our position.

(I'd also add that how the WC fits in to the wider international calendar is a big part of that. Other sports, WC, especially the ones we are copying dont exist in isolation)

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1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

I think, as I've said earlier in the thread, everything we are doing regarding the WC has been great.

And a well organised, well marketed world cup will he very successful. 

I think we will get the best crowds ever for a world cup. 

But I think neither the WC nor the international game is going to fulfil its potential trying to be something else or just copying other sports.

I think we have limited ourselves in this format and I think sticking to it because others do it will be a mistake..

And I dont necessarily just mean not having the super group format, there is an infinite number of permutations out there. I'd be really surprised if this was the best format for our position.

(I'd also add that how the WC fits in to the wider international calendar is a big part of that. Other sports, WC, especially the ones we are copying dont exist in isolation)

I have no issues with us using a different format moving forward, I'm pretty happy with using what is seen as a 'standard' or 'traditional' tournament format for this one. 

Agree with your last para. We were so close with the drive for a Confed Cup, and we bottled it. 

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3 hours ago, John Rhino said:

Hatie Katie is one of the lowest forms of life this country has ever produce.

Just a shame the RFL can't sue her again.

Anyway she was wrong and that's cheered up my day 

You must be happy every single day, then. They say a broken clock is right twice in 24 hours, but Hopkins is a broken digital clock that just displays 99:99:99 and is never even close to a real time. :kolobok_wink:

There's been some coverage of the draw on tonight's episode of The Last Leg, which has been fun.

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"Men will be proud to say 'I am a European'. We hope to see a day when men of every country will think as much of being a European as of being from their native land." (Winston Churchill)

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I hope they all have nice kits so that they have some merch to sell at the games and in shops etc. Hopefully someone at the IRL or wherever can put the smaller nations in contact with quality kit suppliers. It could be a big boost for the IRL and the minor nations who with at least 3 opportunities to sell merch I'm sure would find a lot of willing supporters in the crowds of the group stages who would love to get mementos of the occasion or like to represent their adopted team. 

I actually think we could do a lot to link in with this on game days. Like having food stalls themed by the nations playing potentially - Greek, Italian, Lebanese, Caribbean for example and the people working in those stalls wearing the shirts/colours of that nation for example. We had steel drums at Headingley for the Knights game last year for example too. Union did really well at getting world cup branded stuff into a variety of shops from sports direct to aldi and I think we should be looking at this sort of idea going into our world cup.

I'm so excited for this tournament!

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16 hours ago, Dave T said:

The proof will be in the pudding I suppose. I'm not convinced people just want these top teams forced against each other in an overly artificial way. 

The crowds have been relatively average, and we have seen games versus Fiji and Ireland attract more than some games against the Kiwis. 

We have to get the balance right, we have games against the Aussies and Kiwis, I would be perfectly happy if we didn't play them in the WC, but we do have to make sure we arrange games against this '2nd tier' opposition more regularly. 

I think this WC could be a game changer. If we sellout the Samoa opener which we really should, it would be massive, and we'd need to capitalise on that. A 50k crowd for ab International not involving Aus or NZ would be huge. 

And exactly what is planned in 2022? Do we actually know? Are we going to #### it up again by offering no legacy international RL at home after the tournament? It is only a success if you have an infrastructure to capitalise on it.

My worry is that we again won't play a single home test in 2022. Prove me wrong RFL! 

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27 minutes ago, Scubby said:

And exactly what is planned in 2022? Do we actually know? Are we going to #### it up again by offering no legacy international RL at home after the tournament? It is only a success if you have an infrastructure to capitalise on it.

My worry is that we again won't play a single home test in 2022. Prove me wrong RFL! 

Oi, negativity that way >>>>>>>>>

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9 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

RL is a summer sport.

I'd love to see our World Cup played in July rather than November.

With no.nrl players in it? Yeh good luck with that 

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10 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said:

RL is a summer sport.

I'd love to see our World Cup played in July rather than November.

I agree. If the game wanted it it could be very good. I'd love us to be playing these games in warm weather. 

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

Oi, negativity that way >>>>>>>>>

If we dont play a home international again for 2 years after the tournament? Legit question.

I am actually so excited about this tournament it has saved me from the brink. However, I also felt very similar after the 2013 SF and look what followed.

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2 hours ago, marklaspalmas said:

RL is a summer sport.

I'd love to see our World Cup played in July rather than November.

Or in October, like the 1995 World Cup.  The weather was quite decent for that, which likely boosted the crowds.

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17 hours ago, Dave T said:

I have no issues with us using a different format moving forward, I'm pretty happy with using what is seen as a 'standard' or 'traditional' tournament format for this one. 

Agree with your last para. We were so close with the drive for a Confed Cup, and we bottled it. 

I just think this format doesnt show our game in the best light. I think if this format was invented for this comp it would be being derided as terrible. 

I'll support it because I support international RL and I hope it's incredibly successful. But if I'm honest with myself there is no game in the group stages that I'm particularly inspired or excited by. And there could have been quite a few. 

I'm not sure what we are gaining by not having big RL games in the big RL comp. And by that i dont only mean the games between the big 3.

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10 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

I just think this format doesnt show our game in the best light. I think if this format was invented for this comp it would be being derided as terrible. 

I'll support it because I support international RL and I hope it's incredibly successful. But if I'm honest with myself there is no game in the group stages that I'm particularly inspired or excited by. And there could have been quite a few. 

I'm not sure what we are gaining by not having big RL games in the big RL comp. And by that i dont only mean the games between the big 3.

I think I see a world Cup as something different. A festival of RL with the different countries and cultures coming together. If the organisers make a big play on that, then I will be very happy. 

Very many of my favourite World Cup games over the years haven't been between the big 3. I am very excited for the opener for England, I always like France and I expwct Greece will be a walkover but hopefully they play on their story. That seems an interesting enough group p and set of fixtures as an England fan. 

I'm not a fan of just keep repeating fixtures in a different country every 4 years. Let's be honest, we have used the big 3 playing the openers si ce 1995, and only 1995 was a memorable one with a crowd that was way down on expectations. It was worse at Twickenham 5 years later, a rubbish match in 2008 in Sydney and whilst a decent game in 2013 and a solid crowd it wasn't anything near as successful as we should be looking at. 2017 was rubbish in Melbourne. 

2021 is abandoning the obsession with top 3 as opener, and I genuinely expect it will break the crowd record for the opener. 

We should never have abandoned the 4N, in fact we should have expanded to 6 or 8, that is where you stage these regular games versus these teams. 

A world Cup should be different, unique, a festival. I think there will be challenges, but I think in general people are buying into the credible structure. 

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6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think I see a world Cup as something different. A festival of RL with the different countries and cultures coming together. If the organisers make a big play on that, then I will be very happy. 

Very many of my favourite World Cup games over the years haven't been between the big 3. I am very excited for the opener for England, I always like France and I expwct Greece will be a walkover but hopefully they play on their story. That seems an interesting enough group p and set of fixtures as an England fan. 

I'm not a fan of just keep repeating fixtures in a different country every 4 years. Let's be honest, we have used the big 3 playing the openers si ce 1995, and only 1995 was a memorable one with a crowd that was way down on expectations. It was worse at Twickenham 5 years later, a rubbish match in 2008 in Sydney and whilst a decent game in 2013 and a solid crowd it wasn't anything near as successful as we should be looking at. 2017 was rubbish in Melbourne. 

2021 is abandoning the obsession with top 3 as opener, and I genuinely expect it will break the crowd record for the opener. 

We should never have abandoned the 4N, in fact we should have expanded to 6 or 8, that is where you stage these regular games versus these teams. 

A world Cup should be different, unique, a festival. I think there will be challenges, but I think in general people are buying into the credible structure. 

I think the question regarding samoa is are you any more excited for that than say Fiji or PNG? Are you anymore excited for France than you would be for Ireland or Wales? Are Greece better than Jamaica or Italy?

Is there a single fixture in the group stages that would provide the excitement and spectacle that Tonga v Samoa would? NZ v Fiji?

How can we have a festival of RL that doesnt have the Sipi Tau v Siva Tau? Haka v Noqu Masu? Why have an RL festival that doesnt show the best of RL culture

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23 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

I think the question regarding samoa is are you any more excited for that than say Fiji or PNG? Are you anymore excited for France than you would be for Ireland or Wales? Are Greece better than Jamaica or Italy?

Is there a single fixture in the group stages that would provide the excitement and spectacle that Tonga v Samoa would? NZ v Fiji?

How can we have a festival of RL that doesnt have the Sipi Tau v Siva Tau? Haka v Noqu Masu? Why have an RL festival that doesnt show the best of RL culture

But this is the point. People obsess about what they think people want, but tbh not many really wanted Enb v Aus in yet another WC opener. It got a terrible crowd in Melbourne last time. 

I genuinely think we will fil St James Pk in the opener next year vs Samoa, and that will be because it is the opener at a great stadium featuring the host nation. That is all it needs, it doesn't need Oz or NZ to be there too. 

Let the tournament build up into the big games between the best teams. Depending on how they do the rankings draw we could see Tonga v Samoa in the knockouts. Those war dances are great, but they will now be seen at even more grounds than ever, we don't need to artificially manufacture the fixtures. We have test series or Pacific Cups for that. 

But like I say, the proof will be in the pudding, if we get bums on seats, financial results, and viewing figures we want they will have made the right choice. But not everybody wants your stage managed overly commercialised sporting world, plenty want these kind of systems. 

The Super groups of 2008 did a job, but even though I was there it was too much. It was pretty much fixed and had little integrity, we have toned it down each time to the point of us going with a more standard approach here. I'm very happy with that for 2021.

 

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