Andre savelio - is he British

[Saint Toppy]

16 hours ago, Davo5 said:

He was only 21 when he left Saints after making 40 appearances.

He scored 9 tries in his only season at Warrington and was offered a deal at Brisbane,where he suffered a serious injury in preseason,calling him a flop is ridiculous & petty,at 26 he should be in his prime and has looked in good form at Hull.

He could have stayed at Brisbane and fight to gain a 1st team place, but as usual when the going got tough he walked away to find an easier option.

[RP London]

26 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

He could have stayed at Brisbane and fight to gain a 1st team place, but as usual when the going got tough he walked away to find an easier option.

to be fair, its not uncommon in a lot of sports for people to really struggle when they move quite a way away from home and then get an early injury. They are very much on the outside of the group that should be making them welcome (which is natural) and can really struggle to feel a part of the one thing that would make them feel "at home". It is very common, not just for English lads going to the NRL, that an early injury often sees people "go home". 

not saying he didnt "bottle it" but just that, without knowing him personally, you are making some very harsh calls on someone who has done something not uncommon in many sports. 

[Davo5]

37 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

He could have stayed at Brisbane and fight to gain a 1st team place, but as usual when the going got tough he walked away to find an easier option.

It must be exhausting for you carrying all that hate & bitterness around.

[Davo5]

8 minutes ago, RP London said:

to be fair, its not uncommon in a lot of sports for people to really struggle when they move quite a way away from home and then get an early injury. They are very much on the outside of the group that should be making them welcome (which is natural) and can really struggle to feel a part of the one thing that would make them feel "at home". It is very common, not just for English lads going to the NRL, that an early injury often sees people "go home". 

not saying he didnt "bottle it" but just that, without knowing him personally, you are making some very harsh calls on someone who has done something not uncommon in many sports. 

After spending a year in rehab,then to be told your not in the new coaches plans,it’s understandable he accepted a 3 year contract to move back home in an attempt to get his career back on track,something he looks to be doing at Hull.

[Saint Toppy]

58 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

It must be exhausting for you carrying all that hate & bitterness around.

He shouldn't have been so arrogant all through his younger years.

He showed promise as a youngster but his illness stifled his progress for a while. Despite being out of the game for a considerable time Saints stood by him and even offered him an improved contract when he asked for it. He started playing again and almost immediately demanded a massively improved contract saying if he didn't get one he would leave as he was good enough for the NRL. At the time he made numerous comments about how he would go to the NRL as that was always his long term ambition.

When Saints refused to give him the big contract he wanted he suddenly found out he wasn't as good as he thought as nobody in the NRL wanted him, which is why he ended up at Warrington. He tried again a year later and Brisbane were the only club offering him a deal. Despite getting through rehab and being available Brisbane decided he wasn't good enough and told him he could leave and no other NRL club wanted him either, which is how he then ended up back in SL with Hull.

All through his career he's demanded big contracts but he's so far proved nothing at any of the clubs he's been at. He may turn it around and be a success at Hull in the future, but as things stand at the moment he's not really achieved anything, and at 26 time is running out for him to prove he's as good as he has always told people he thinks he is.

[Spidey]

25 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

All through his career he's demanded big contracts but he's so far proved nothing at any of the clubs he's been at. He may turn it around and be a success at Hull in the future, but as things stand at the moment he's not really achieved anything, and at 26 time is running out for him to prove he's as good as he has always told people he thinks he is.

Surely in any job you try and get the best salary you can - good luck to him

[The storm]

1 hour ago, Saint Toppy said:

He shouldn't have been so arrogant all through his younger years.

He showed promise as a youngster but his illness stifled his progress for a while. Despite being out of the game for a considerable time Saints stood by him and even offered him an improved contract when he asked for it. He started playing again and almost immediately demanded a massively improved contract saying if he didn't get one he would leave as he was good enough for the NRL. At the time he made numerous comments about how he would go to the NRL as that was always his long term ambition.

When Saints refused to give him the big contract he wanted he suddenly found out he wasn't as good as he thought as nobody in the NRL wanted him, which is why he ended up at Warrington. He tried again a year later and Brisbane were the only club offering him a deal. Despite getting through rehab and being available Brisbane decided he wasn't good enough and told him he could leave and no other NRL club wanted him either, which is how he then ended up back in SL with Hull.

All through his career he's demanded big contracts but he's so far proved nothing at any of the clubs he's been at. He may turn it around and be a success at Hull in the future, but as things stand at the moment he's not really achieved anything, and at 26 time is running out for him to prove he's as good as he has always told people he thinks he is.

At 26 he is now at the top of his game and injury free 

It's a crying shame that supporters continually undermine our players who devout 16 to 20 years of their lives to playing the game at a top level. 

 

So, it is far from unreasonable for super league players to earn £100,000 a year 

[Lowdesert]

2 hours ago, Davo5 said:

It must be exhausting for you carrying all that hate & bitterness around.

Not really.  From one side of St Helens, every day, 365 days of the year, isn’t really very far.

[Derwent]

23 hours ago, Cumbrian Mackem said:

 

Didn’t his dad play for Workington town?

Yes his dad Lokeni (Luke) played for Town in the early 00s. Young Andre could regularly be seen running around the Derwent Lounge causing havoc after matches, he was a very boisterous kid.

[Exiled Wiganer]

18 hours ago, Just Browny said:

Self-awareness isn't a strong point of yours is it.

That’s a line you could and paste a hundred times... 

Meanwhile, he has looked superb. I still think Knowles, Currie and Bateman (with maybe Whitehead as interchange) would be ahead of him, but he has real talent. 

[Old Frightful]

6 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

He shouldn't have been so arrogant all through his younger years.

He showed promise as a youngster but his illness stifled his progress for a while. Despite being out of the game for a considerable time Saints stood by him and even offered him an improved contract when he asked for it. He started playing again and almost immediately demanded a massively improved contract saying if he didn't get one he would leave as he was good enough for the NRL. At the time he made numerous comments about how he would go to the NRL as that was always his long term ambition.

When Saints refused to give him the big contract he wanted he suddenly found out he wasn't as good as he thought as nobody in the NRL wanted him, which is why he ended up at Warrington. He tried again a year later and Brisbane were the only club offering him a deal. Despite getting through rehab and being available Brisbane decided he wasn't good enough and told him he could leave and no other NRL club wanted him either, which is how he then ended up back in SL with Hull.

All through his career he's demanded big contracts but he's so far proved nothing at any of the clubs he's been at. He may turn it around and be a success at Hull in the future, but as things stand at the moment he's not really achieved anything, and at 26 time is running out for him to prove he's as good as he has always told people he thinks he is.

Can you tell us how you know these details please?

To be able to make these claims you must surely have been sat at the table when his contract was renegotiated.

Failing that you may have spoken to someone who was and, of course, you may have heard a rather different version than what actually happened.

I doubt you've read it in the press as it would be easy for Savelio to take legal action if it wasn't true.

Or perhaps you're Eamon McManus?

 

[Davo5]

12 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:

Can you tell us how you know these details please?

To be able to make these claims you must surely have been sat at the table when his contract was renegotiated.

Failing that you may have spoken to someone who was and, of course, you may have heard a rather different version than what actually happened.

I doubt you've read it in the press as it would be easy for Savelio to take legal action if it wasn't true.

Or perhaps you're Eamon McManus?

 

Eamon Andrew’s more like “Andre this is yer life”

[Manfred Mann]

The name Savelio suggests Italian rather than Samoan heritage.

[DavidM]

18 minutes ago, Manfred Mann said:

The name Savelio suggests Italian rather than Samoan heritage.

Yes the family were high profile members of Cheshire’s thriving Italian-Samoan quarter 

[Rioman]

23 hours ago, Dallas Mead said:

Warrington lad, born and bred.

Wikipedia (yes, I know) has him born in New Zealand.

[MZH]

I always thought he was born in New Zealand and came over here as a kid. I consider him to be a English player since this is where he learned the game and came through the ranks.

[Davo5]

12 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Yes the family were high profile members of Cheshire’s thriving Italian-Samoan quarter 

America had the Sopranos 

Cheshire has the Savelio’s 

[Spidey]

Lokeni played in England from 1996

Andre was born in 1995

Was Andre born in England? No but he’s certainly British

[Manfred Mann]

10 hours ago, DavidM said:

Yes the family were high profile members of Cheshire’s thriving Italian-Samoan quarter 

Was that during William Shakespeare's time?

[Old Frightful]

3 hours ago, Manfred Mann said:

Was that during William Shakespeare's time?

Romeo, Andre, Juliet...

[BrisbaneRhino]

Like Ryan Hall he also joined the wrong club when going to Aus.  Brisbane were and are stacked for backrowers. When he joined Gillett and Glenn were first choice and they had a whole bunch ready for a crack, most of whom are now playing elsewhere.

[Saint Toppy]

17 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

Can you tell us how you know these details please?

To be able to make these claims you must surely have been sat at the table when his contract was renegotiated.

Failing that you may have spoken to someone who was and, of course, you may have heard a rather different version than what actually happened.

I doubt you've read it in the press as it would be easy for Savelio to take legal action if it wasn't true.

Or perhaps you're Eamon McManus?

 

Through a family member who's a close personal friend of a Saints Board member, who was involved in those negotiations.

And before you ask no I wont reveal who that board member is, and no they didn't actually reveal the intimate details of the contract negotiations, just a summary of the situation and the behavior of Savelio & his manager.

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Through a family member who's a close personal friend of a Saints Board member, who was involved in those negotiations.

And before you ask no I wont reveal who that board member is, and no they didn't actually reveal the intimate details of the contract negotiations, just a summary of the situation and the behavior of Savelio & his manager.

That's professional of them.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

Through a family member who's a close personal friend of a Saints Board member, who was involved in those negotiations.

And before you ask no I wont reveal who that board member is, and no they didn't actually reveal the intimate details of the contract negotiations, just a summary of the situation and the behavior of Savelio & his manager.

Ah... heresay

[Davo5]

The good old a mates mate,must be right then.