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55 minutes ago, Scubby said:

The big thing that could happen here is the UK Government flexing its muscles. Either doing a deal with the Australian government for assurances or simply offering to subsidise additional bubbling taking it to the highest standards.

This is about the only thing left in the papers now, it`s out of The Australian which is s national broadsheet.

English boss has called on the PM Scott Morrison to explain Australia’s World Cup withdrawal (theaustralian.com.au)

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been dragged into the stoush over the World Cup after one of England’s most powerful officials called on him to explain why Australia was willing to send athletes to the Olympic Games and Paralympics, but not rugby league’s showpiece international tournament.

Rugby Football League chair Simon Johnson, who earlier accused the ARL Commission of cowardice and pandering to their clubs, demanded that the Prime Minister justify the decision, which threatens to destroy the tournament.

“Our government has backed this decision fully,” Johnson said.

“(England Prime Minister) Boris Johnson has spoken to Scott Morrison on numerous occasions. Scott Morrison will have to explain why Australia has no problem sending athletes to the Olympics and the Paralympics, sending his rugby union Wallabies team to England and Wales, but not their rugby league teams.

“It is very difficult to explain. This is a very significant and damaging move.”

I`d love to think this was going to go somewhere but I fear they`ll just dig their heels in now, unfortunately not enough people care.

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24 minutes ago, OMEGA said:

Here’s what I’d suggest,

Go ahead with the World Cup

Australian and New Zealand Results recorded as 28-0 Losses! Those results will be in the history books forever and will stand as a mark of shame on their respective administrations.

Invite Indigenous and Maori Representative Teams to play the games that Australia & NZ would have taken part in thus satisfying the spectators who’ve bought tickets and the TV Broadcasters. It will be a great story in the papers, a celebration of their cultures as well as being something special to watch in terms of entertainment.

However the two invited teams are playing as guests and cannot progress to the knockout phase! Offer both a financial incentive for stepping in and arrange to play them again at some point in the future!

Make the whole World Cup an amazing spectacle, talk it up in the media, get the papers to do the same! Let Australia and NZ sit at home watching and reading lament their decision and reap the backlash from all and sundry. They’ll put in World Class moans and groans but deep down they’ll know they’ve F’d up!

I did think that, we have to lose 6 games from the tournament, but that may be the lesser of two evils of trying to replace them. 

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Wouldn't be the first time Australia had lost 24-0 in England after failing to show up.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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1 hour ago, RP London said:

I think it would be a bigger slap in the face to v'landys if we have an aus 13 and nz 13 made up of a real strong squad that said "I want to play"... his player welfare argument goes out the window then... 

Unless he is sort of waiting for them to do that and he says oh OK then but you know the consequences we want you all at pre season training on time.. no excuses... you've broken the cba etc..

Yeah that's what I mean. Aussiesbased here plus any that want to come over too

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2 hours ago, Jim from Oz said:

We will  all know on Monday after the meeting of the Asia Pacific rugby league group

 

 if they all agree to go I say, let the World Cup go on!

The 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles were without the entire eastern block and they were absolutely brilliant

And probably 'cleaner'

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If there was a significant and public outcry, from players who may have been selected on merit for Australia and New Zealand then I'd say print up some green and gold and black and white jerseys and let them play. If the players don't make their desire to play known publicly, then I'd much rather bring in the USA and Brazil. Give the game over there (in the America's) a huge boost

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52 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

Perhaps you say it in jest, but anyone who thinks this will happen really hasn't grasped the magnitude of what's happening here. 

Most certainly in jest, I am aware that, if the World Cup goes ahead and Aus / NZ want back in come 2025, there is no question that this would happen.

Although, I am in favour of keeping the current structure of quarter finalists from the previous tournament qualifying automatically (which sees teams like New Zealand who fell at that stage, qualify). Won't happen, but should.

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31 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think that's an overly harsh assessment. We had a weird setup with Bennett miles off his game as head coach. We lost close games against the Kiwis and Tonga who also beat the Aussies before a last game disaster against PNG. The fact that we had Blake Austin on the wing was a reflection on Wayne Bennett's stubbornness than the state of the English game. 

With a good run-up, which a home World Cup delivers, we can be a match over 80m.

We also lost 34-0 in the last test of 2018 and didn't really show a lot of bolters coming through in the mid-season test. The post was in response to the NRL fearing us and not wanting to come. The 2021 version of the England team will be always be competitive but it will lack the grunt and big game and international experience of the 2017 team.

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Just now, Southerner said:

Anyone have an estimate cost of losses if it were to be postponed at this point? 

Well, UK Govt has funded the tournament to the tune of £25M. Cazoo have signed a 7 figure sponsorship deal for the tournament. There are partnerships with huge organisations such an UNICEF, wide-ranging broadcast deals with the BBC.

Then you would have ticket refunds, costs of stadium rentals, infrastructure costs, staffing costs, overheads. Millions already pledged to meet bio-secure demands of the NRL.

In short, I don't know, but potentially huge.

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Just to confirm - was there a level of bio security that the organisers  couldn’t satisfy?

I saw the live interview on Newsnight by Peters on behalf of the NZRL in which he implied this aspect of bio security for a long tournament hadn’t been satisfied as he rejected comparisons with the RU tours.

Have the organisers replied to this accusation via the media yet in detail?  It would be great to remove the fig leaf.

 

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40 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

This is about the only thing left in the papers now, it`s out of The Australian which is s national broadsheet.

English boss has called on the PM Scott Morrison to explain Australia’s World Cup withdrawal (theaustralian.com.au)

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been dragged into the stoush over the World Cup after one of England’s most powerful officials called on him to explain why Australia was willing to send athletes to the Olympic Games and Paralympics, but not rugby league’s showpiece international tournament.

Rugby Football League chair Simon Johnson, who earlier accused the ARL Commission of cowardice and pandering to their clubs, demanded that the Prime Minister justify the decision, which threatens to destroy the tournament.

“Our government has backed this decision fully,” Johnson said.

“(England Prime Minister) Boris Johnson has spoken to Scott Morrison on numerous occasions. Scott Morrison will have to explain why Australia has no problem sending athletes to the Olympics and the Paralympics, sending his rugby union Wallabies team to England and Wales, but not their rugby league teams.

“It is very difficult to explain. This is a very significant and damaging move.”

I`d love to think this was going to go somewhere but I fear they`ll just dig their heels in now, unfortunately not enough people care.

More strong words (and attitude) from Simon Johnson.

I imagine the UK Government are doing something behind the scenes on this one too… 

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19 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

If there was a significant and public outcry, from players who may have been selected on merit for Australia and New Zealand then I'd say print up some green and gold and black and white jerseys and let them play. If the players don't make their desire to play known publicly, then I'd much rather bring in the USA and Brazil. Give the game over there (in the America's) a huge boost

Germany and Malta for me:

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Pulga said:

Germany and Malta for me:

 

 

 

 

Fair enough,

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2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

The problem with indigenous/Maori teams or any NZ or Aussie team not backed by the NZRL or the ARL is I don’t think clubs would have to release players called up for them. 

It's a postseason tournament though, there won't be any club activity at that time for them to need to be released from.

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It must be made clear to all eligible Aus and NZ players that the reason they will not be taking part as national, invitational, UK based or dual nationality teams is that Vlandis has renaged, defaulted, welched, bottled, chickened out and if they want to take part, they have to depose him. 

Not one backward step from the organisers. 

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1 hour ago, The storm said:

I have heard that the UK government is going to do a deal with the Australian and NZ government. 

 

It may result in a delay to the tournament 

No delays.

It should go ahead on the scheduled dates.

 

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51 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I did think that, we have to lose 6 games from the tournament, but that may be the lesser of two evils of trying to replace them. 

No need.  Cross group games, as in 2013 and 2017.

We lose three games but all 14 remaining teams get three games each.

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

The thing I have been most shocked about is the Jillaroos and Kiwi Ferns - basically had their dreams shattered by the knock on effects of this. This WC was the reason a few of them switched codes, playing at Old Trafford would be the highlight of their lives. The NRL made a decision and then thought, oh #### we will have to pull out the women's and wheelchair teams as well. 

Saying that the women can stand up for themselves and they have done and said nothing. I've looked at instagram and twitter profiles of the leading stars and not one has made a comment. The women and wheelchair players are the one group of people who could bring the self absorbed crp crashing down in embarrassment!

I am sorry, I am not on Twitter myself, but if you are or if anyone else out there is on Twitter, can they start sending messages to the female and wheelchair Australian and New Zealand players and asking them, what do they think? Why are they not questioning in this decision by V’landys Etc
 

Surely they are as furious as so many of the male players are!

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