George Hotel Museum not going ahead (Merged Threads)

[gingerjon]

10 hours ago, Damien said:

Or to give £6 million to 3 professional RL clubs....

But that's fine because reasons.

[Chris_T]

https://www.totalrl.com/batley-bulldogs-chairman-puts-forward-offer-to-host-rugby-league-museum/

The George would be my preference here, hosting our Heavy Woollen Denkeys) end of season awards there always seemed a privilege, you could feel the history of the game we love. but if it's a no go I'd be delighted to have the museum at Mount pleasant, it would be a boost for the club and town as a whole. It's 5 mins drive from the m62, 10mins from M1 and 10 minute walk from the train station and within Kirklees. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by Chris_T

[Man of Kent]

The only problem I'd have with the national museum being located in Batley is it would be located in Batley.

[JohnM]

Media city, Central Manchester or Central Leeds, unless, that is, people want to keep it a secret from those it wants to impress the most.

[Chris_T]

8 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Media city, Central Manchester or Central Leeds, unless, that is, people want to keep it a secret from those it wants to impress the most.

I'm sure everyone in RL would love a prime location like that, I'm not a glass half empty type and I'd love to spread the RL message far and wide but I'm not convinced the cost of a large enough unit in a prime location is feasable, I wish it were.  The museum is no good if it looses money. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by Chris_T

[JohnM]

I understand that. It's no good either, if no one visits it.  Tricky problem. Sponsorship?

[Chris_T]

3 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I understand that. It's no good either, if no one visits it.  Tricky problem. Sponsorship?

Think we know how that one would end up, we'd be sharing with the national mushy pea heritage centre!!!!

[JohnM]

6 hours ago, Chris_T said:

Think we know how that one would end up, we'd be sharing with the national mushy pea heritage centre!!!!

Alternatively, it might appeal more  to decent sponsors because it's not in "Hidden in Huddersfield".

[theswanmcr]

Ok time for some wild thinking… what about a mobile museum?

There are some amazing structures with shipping containers etc. Could rock up at Wembley, Old Trafford, St James and more for big events and stay for a few days at each venue etc 

Can’t be worse than being in a hidden library in Huddersfield?

[gingerjon]

14 hours ago, JohnM said:

I understand that. It's no good either, if no one visits it.  Tricky problem. Sponsorship?

A question for you and everyone else: how many people do you think will visit it?

How many would make it a success?

For reference, which may have been put up before, the National Football Museum gets 210,000 visitors in a normal year. What calls itself the "World Rugby Museum" at Twickenham looks like it gets 1,000-1,500 a month (so 12,000ish a year) but that's bound up with also offering a stadium tour.

As you never tire of saying: people on this forum are hardly representative and there's not exactly a stampede of interested people on here compared to wanting to know how many freebies were handed out at London on Sunday ...

[Man of Kent]

8 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

Ok time for some wild thinking… what about a mobile museum?

There are some amazing structures with shipping containers etc. Could rock up at Wembley, Old Trafford, St James and more for big events and stay for a few days at each venue etc 

Can’t be worse than being in a hidden library in Huddersfield?

Stevo’s Travelling Rugby League Museum?

Roll up, roll up! It’s M-U-S-E-U-M time! 

[gingerjon]

2 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Stevo’s Travelling Rugby League Museum?

Roll up, roll up! It’s M-U-S-E-U-M time! 

To be properly historic, we could carry exhibits up and down the M62 in an Eddie Stobart container.

[Jughead]

10 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

Ok time for some wild thinking… what about a mobile museum?

There are some amazing structures with shipping containers etc. Could rock up at Wembley, Old Trafford, St James and more for big events and stay for a few days at each venue etc 

Can’t be worse than being in a hidden library in Huddersfield?

I think it could work and would certainly beat the “it’s not successful because it’s in Huddersfield” arguments when it would be on the road permanently. 

[JohnM]

3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

A question for you and everyone else: how many people do you think will visit it?

How many would make it a success?

For reference, which may have been put up before, the National Football Museum gets 210,000 visitors in a normal year. What calls itself the "World Rugby Museum" at Twickenham looks like it gets 1,000-1,500 a month (so 12,000ish a year) but that's bound up with also offering a stadium tour.

As you never tire of saying: people on this forum are hardly representative and there's not exactly a stampede of interested people on here compared to wanting to know how many freebies were handed out at London on Sunday ...

Good point indeed. Of course, like any critic of anything or anyone these days, I don't need facts to support my case.

However, the Twickers example supports the case for not having the museum at any stadium.  Only those making the pilgrimage on their hands and knees on the Path of the Blessed St. Inverdale from Rugby School to Twickenham ever get there. Hardly the best spot for passing sports fan trade.

Some history of the National Football Museum here, including funding. Museum History - National Football Museum  Looks like a model for us to follow. chances are slim though, as one may think that Rugby League Cares have already taken the time to look into that.

But Hudds? No. Waste of time and money.

[Man of Kent]

2 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I think it could work and would certainly beat the “it’s not successful because it’s in Huddersfield” arguments when it would be on the road permanently. 

But could a container on a lorry really do the UK's fifth biggest spectator sport justice? 

[Scubby]

17 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

But could a container on a lorry really do the UK's fifth biggest spectator sport justice? 

Depends if Eddie Stobart wants to get involved?

[Jughead]

16 minutes ago, Man of Kent said:

But could a container on a lorry really do the UK's fifth biggest spectator sport justice? 

The details of how it’s presented and in what probably needs some work but Saints, Warrington and certainly Leeds too (and most likely some of the World Cup venues) will likely have space in their stadiums, you may have to look into pop-up shops or something similar elsewhere but I think it could possibly work and beats reading about who thinks it should be where and why. 

[theswanmcr]

1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:

But could a container on a lorry really do the UK's fifth biggest spectator sport justice? 

No not really but it might be the only practical solution - at least in the short-term.

We don’t have a national stadium that we could house it in (but as shown by RU numbers that’s not a great option anyway) and simply having a museum on its own somewhere - with no additional offer - will not be a big enough draw and will likely lose money.

There are some good examples now like this that show you could do something pretty special… https://nhm.org/educational-resources/mobile-museums

[Man of Kent]

2 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

No not really but it might be the only practical solution - at least in the short-term.

We don’t have a national stadium that we could house it in (but as shown by RU numbers that’s not a great option anyway) and simply having a museum on its own somewhere - with no additional offer - will not be a big enough draw and will likely lose money.

There are some good examples now like this that show you could do something pretty special… https://nhm.org/educational-resources/mobile-museums

Like the NHM, a mobile museum could be a good supplement but the not the actual museum itself. Room for both, I imagine.

[JohnM]

22 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

But could a container on a lorry really do the UK's fifth biggest spectator sport justice? 

No. But it could if it were part of a wider "Rugby League Cares on the road " initiative in addition to a fixed location. Perhaps the very word "museum" needs replacing with something like "festival".

[Mattrhino]

On 01/02/2022 at 10:09, gingerjon said:

To be properly historic, we could carry exhibits up and down the M62 in an Eddie Stobart container.

You can pay for entry with Papa Johns pizza

[weloveyouwakefield2]

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/unviable-george-hotel-to-be-expanded-in-refurbishment-3591474

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, weloveyouwakefield2 said:

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/unviable-george-hotel-to-be-expanded-in-refurbishment-3591474

So the council purchased an unviable hotel on the basis of an unviable plan of a hotel/ museum combo and have now come up with a very expensive idea that will still result in an unviable hotel albeit with no museum. 

[JF1]

Quite remarkably,the George Hotel fiasco was raised at Prime Minister's Questions this lunchtime.

Is was raised about 5 minutes before Boris' partygate statement so will have received plenty of views,I imagine.

Jason McCartney,Conservative Colne Valley MP,berated the Labour dominated Kirklees council about the apparently stalled scheme.

He received a vague reply about referring it to the Department of Sports,Art and Culture.

Back to the drawing board,then.

Edited May 25, 2022 by JF1

[ATLANTISMAN]

6 minutes ago, JF1 said:

Quite remarkably,the George Hotel fiasco was raised at Prime Minister's Questions this luchtime.

Is was raised about 5 minutes before Boris' partygate statement so will have received plenty of views,I imagine.

Jason McCartney,Conservative Colne Valley MP,berated the Labour dominated Kirklees council about the apparently stalled scheme.

He received a vague reply about referring it to the Department of Sports,Art and Culture.

Back to the drawing board,then.

Saw that 2 BROWNIE POINTS for Jason:)

 

Paul