Hull and Hull KR-Two sides of the same coin

[The storm]

So read news from both Hull KR and Hull today and we have all been through the same COVID crisis 

Paul Lakin CEO of Rovers was upbeat and positive about their ground purchase whilst Adam Pearson was........... Well just Adam Pearson 

Negative bloke with negative perceptions 

 

[DimmestStar]

The purchase of the freehold is going to be a real gamechanger for Hull KR. As owners of the leasehold the club already gets all income generated from the stadium but the purchase of the freehold includes a great deal of land surrounding the stadium.

This creates many exciting possibilities and will transform the financial situation of the club. Although now in a background role we have to thank owner Neil Hudgell for making this possible and CEO Paul Lakin for getting the deal over the line.

Back in 2002 Rovers turned down the opportunity to play at the KC stadium (now MKM stadium) and what a good decision that has been.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-kr-lakin-stadium-purchase-6621174

[Eddie]

Just now, DimmestStar said:

The purchase of the freehold is going to be a real gamechanger for Hull KR. As owners of the leasehold the club already gets all income generated from the stadium but the purchase of the freehold includes a great deal of land surrounding the stadium.

This creates many exciting possibilities and will transform the financial situation of the club. Although now in a background role we have to thank owner Neil Hudgell for making this possible and CEO Paul Lakin for getting the deal over the line.

Back in 2002 Rovers turned down the opportunity to play at the KC stadium (now MKM stadium) and what a good decision that has been.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/hull-kr-lakin-stadium-purchase-6621174

Can you see a situation in 5-10 years where KR are the bigger club? 

[Scubby]

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Can you see a situation in 5-10 years where KR are the bigger club? 

Hull FC could be the biggest club in the country with the right people in charge.

[The storm]

14 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Can you see a situation in 5-10 years where KR are the bigger club? 

They are the bigger club now lol

[DimmestStar]

17 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Can you see a situation in 5-10 years where KR are the bigger club? 

In most ways Rovers are already the bigger club.

Rovers have assets Hull don't. Rovers have a ground, Hull don't. Hull make huge losses, Rovers don't. Rovers were a top 6 team last year, Hull were not.

Hull have 6,000 members Rovers have 5,000 and the gap is closing. What else do Hull have in their favour?

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, DimmestStar said:

In most ways Rovers are already the bigger club.

Rovers have assets Hull don't. Rovers have a ground, Hull don't. Hull make huge losses, Rovers don't. Rovers were a top 6 team last year, Hull were not.

Hull have 6,000 members Rovers have 5,000 and the gap is closing. What else do Hull have in their favour?

Bigger support, even if many of them aren’t going to the match? 

[Jughead]

1 minute ago, DimmestStar said:

In most ways Rovers are already the bigger club.

Rovers have assets Hull don't. Rovers have a ground, Hull don't. Hull make huge losses, Rovers don't. Rovers were a top 6 team last year, Hull were not.

Hull have 6,000 members Rovers have 5,000 and the gap is closing. What else do Hull have in their favour?

A trophy cabinet?

[Liverpool Rover]

It’s been a long time since things were looking this positive for Rovers. On the back of a good season last year and being able to keep all the money from the stadium when the deal is completed I’m really looking forward to the future.

[EggFace]

22 minutes ago, DimmestStar said:

In most ways Rovers are already the bigger club.

Rovers have assets Hull don't. Rovers have a ground, Hull don't. Hull make huge losses, Rovers don't. Rovers were a top 6 team last year, Hull were not.

Hull have 6,000 members Rovers have 5,000 and the gap is closing. What else do Hull have in their favour?

Whats the future for Hull then ....any good signs ?

[boris74]

2 minutes ago, EggFace said:

Whats the future for Hull then ....any good signs ?

With the new owners of Hull City also owning the SMC and a positive meeting with Adam Pearson recently it suggests there may just be brighter times ahead...

[The storm]

1 hour ago, boris74 said:

With the new owners of Hull City also owning the SMC and a positive meeting with Adam Pearson recently it suggests there may just be brighter times ahead...

Not sure Pearson has the positive persona to take hull forward

His treatment of Lee Radford and Andy Last was bizarre and dreaful. 

I dont believe pearson knows that much about our sport

[Wellsy4HullFC]

This thread is filled with delusions of grandeur!

They make one semi final and suddenly they're world beaters, yet still more concerned with their neighbours who they've had to convince themselves are somehow suddenly hamstrung by a rented stadium that never stopped them or other clubs winning trophies recently

Keep telling yourselves you're the bigger club. We'll just carry on being it

[The storm]

On 08/02/2022 at 17:50, Wellsy4HullFC said:

This thread is filled with delusions of grandeur!

They make one semi final and suddenly they're world beaters, yet still more concerned with their neighbours who they've had to convince themselves are somehow suddenly hamstrung by a rented stadium that never stopped them or other clubs winning trophies recently

Keep telling yourselves you're the bigger club. We'll just carry on being it

The proof of the pudding will be revealed in rhe next few months 

FC will struggle

My view is that he needs to get a very dynamic CEO

[Old Frightful]

On 08/02/2022 at 14:31, The storm said:

They are the bigger club now lol

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[Old Frightful]

On 08/02/2022 at 15:08, EggFace said:

Whats the future for Hull then ....any good signs ?

I think you might just be asking the wrong person there.

If Hull FC had to play a team of aliens and win to protect the Earth and all humanity, Dimmest Star would be cheering for the extra terrestrials.

[Old Frightful]

On 08/02/2022 at 14:21, ShropshireBull said:

One is going to be able to generate revenue and keep it from the 8000 average, the other is the prisoner of a football club and gets nothing from there 11,000 pre covid average attendance. Hull should be better but when you cant generate rev from it you are kneecapped. 

That's not quite true. Although I'm not that great with this kind of thing, I understand that the SMC keep so much of the income from gate receipts at the KCOM and Hull FC keep the profit from the remainder. Whether this is on a percentage basis or an actual crowd number I'm not sure.

Our East Hull friend DS will hopefully be along shortly to clear up this matter seeing as they have far more interest in keeping an eye on the financial goings on at Hull FC than I do.

 

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

On 08/02/2022 at 14:21, ShropshireBull said:

One is going to be able to generate revenue and keep it from the 8000 average, the other is the prisoner of a football club 

Who owns the stadium? I thought it was owned by Hull Council and the football club paid rent to play there just as Hull fc do? 

[Wellsy4HullFC]

59 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:

That's not quite true. Although I'm not that great with this kind of thing, I understand that the SMC keep so much of the income from gate receipts at the KCOM and Hull FC keep the profit from the remainder. Whether this is on a percentage basis or an actual crowd number I'm not sure.

Our East Hull friend DS will hopefully be along shortly to clear up this matter seeing as they have far more interest in keeping an eye on the financial goings on at Hull FC than I do.

 

I recall we get a percentage after 7,500. That may have changed. I mean luckily we've had over a 10k average there every season, so we just be doing something right.

[Old Frightful]

5 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

I recall we get a percentage after 7,500. That may have changed. I mean luckily we've had over a 10k average there every season, so we just be doing something right.

That sounds about right from what I recall but I wasn't sure about quoting figures because, well, I wasn't sure.

Luckily, we have an expert on all things Hull FC financial as a forum member so they may be along to help us out soon.

[Old Frightful]

37 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

Who owns the stadium? I thought it was owned by Hull Council and the football club paid rent to play there just as Hull fc do? 

The stadium is owned by Hull City Council and the people of Hull. Unfortunately the SMC has the say on pretty much everything to do with the stadium and the current lease owners of the SMC are whoever owns the football club as the people who ran Hull FC at the time  declined the offer of being joint owners at the outset.

Back in 2002 when it was built it was termed the "Community Stadium" by Hull City Council but a succession of Hull City owners have now made that term look ridiculous by ensuring everything goes swimmingly for the football club and f* *k everyone else.

REM, Elton John and a few other big name acts have performed concerts at the Stadium but those times are now but a distant memory as the football club runs it almost entirely to suit it's own interest.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

4 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

The stadium is owned by Hull City Council and the people of Hull. Unfortunately the SMC has the say on pretty much everything to do with the stadium and the current lease owners of the SMC are whoever owns the football club as the people who ran Hull FC at the time  declined the offer of being joint owners at the outset.

Back in 2002 when it was built it was termed the "Community Stadium" by Hull City Council but a succession of Hull City owners have now made that term look ridiculous by ensuring everything goes swimmingly for the football club and f* *k everyone else.

REM, Elton John and a few other big name acts have performed concerts at the Stadium but those times are now but a distant memory as the football club runs it almost entirely to suit it's own interest.

They've effectively given them the stadium for free by doing that. Yet Allam still wasn't happy!

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

On 08/02/2022 at 14:47, Jughead said:

A trophy cabinet?

When did they last win the league?

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

On 08/02/2022 at 17:50, Wellsy4HullFC said:

This thread is filled with delusions of grandeur!

They make one semi final and suddenly they're world beaters, yet still more concerned with their neighbours who they've had to convince themselves are somehow suddenly hamstrung by a rented stadium that never stopped them or other clubs winning trophies recently

Keep telling yourselves you're the bigger club. We'll just carry on being it

I’m happier about the off-field progress than the last season to be honest. I’ve seen title and cup victories, and enjoyed ‘em, but having been through almost-liquidation believe me the vibrancy, positive mindset and resulting long-term security of the club that comes from the current leaderships strategic planning is much more important to me than a pyrrhic trophy win right now.

Foundations first, I want my kids to grow up watching Rovers 

[EggFace]

1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

They've effectively given them the stadium for free by doing that. Yet Allam still wasn't happy!

The Allams sound like assholes with too much money and no heart.