Sun 30 Oct: RLWC: Samoa v France KO 17:00

[corkonian77]

7 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Easy peasy. As I pointed out a few pages ago, you are entitled to Irish citizenship if one of your grandparents was born there. My guess is that quite a few English, Scottish, NZ and Aus players have a grandparent born in Ireland.

Most Irish  sports have players born abroad who represent  Ireland  due to an Irish  Passport. 

 

 

[JohnM]

1 minute ago, corkonian77 said:

Most Irish  sports have players born abroad.

 

Indeed they do. 

[tim2]

1 hour ago, SydneyRoosters said:

We can’t act like the results don’t matter, the fact is having 60-90 point wins every 1 or 2 games is not good for our sport and does no favours. It just makes it more of a mockery when we have a team of 96% Domestic born players getting destroyed by a team with 8% Domestic born players. All it does is make a mockery of our game, Imagine if a union fan saw this result, they would be laughing there ass off.

They need to have a look at the Women's RU World Cup where England put 75 on South Africa

[corkonian77]

5 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Indeed they do. 

Connacht, Ulster and Munster in Union  have used this rule to bring  in Irish  qualified players.  

One New Zealand  born Irish League  International  played for Connacht  in Union. 

[Big Picture]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

The vast majority of sports recognise and employ the grandparent ruling, which are these “real international” sports you refer to? 

No that's not true at all.  Basketball, handball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse and apparently now cricket too base eligibility on nationality/citizenship.

[Niels]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yep those same player's, if they played again next week how many would you give Samoa start?

That is a very good question. 

I have looked at all the odds to win and reach the final.

I imagine 6-8 points start for Samoa would be what the bookmakers would offer. England v Tonga I think 2-4 start for Tonga. 

These are based on me predicting with regard to their odds now, as opposed to what I think.

Would this be about right?

[Big Picture]

32 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Easy peasy. As I pointed out a few pages ago, you are entitled to Irish citizenship if one of your grandparents was born there. My guess is that quite a few English, Scottish, NZ and Aus players have a grandparent born in Ireland.

Those players would be eligible, but they'd have to apply for it to get it.  So make them do that and show their seriousness if they want to play.

[Dunbar]

45 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

The big mystery is they are really competitive at youth level with England & there is more French players playing at Superleague level but they still struggle at full international level,some of which can be put down lack of test rugby but not all.

For me it is just simple mathematics.

England used to struggle against Australia at youth level and yet we have seen the England Academy defeat the Australian Schoolboys in several series over the last couple decades but that hasn't translated to international success just as the French competitiveness at youth level hasn't translated to success either.

England have more players playing at a good professional level than France and that advantage means a better squad.  Australia has more players playing at a better level than England.

If you can draw on a bigger pool of better players then you will have the best side.

[JohnM]

Understtod. A mate of mine applied and got it just because he could. The point is that you don't always have to be born in a country to be a citizen of it.

[JohnM]

4 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

Those players would be eligible, but they'd have to apply for it to get it.  So make them do that and show their seriousness if they want to play.

Understtod. A mate of mine applied and got it just because he could. The point is that you don't always have to be born in a country to be a citizen of it.

[moorside roughyed]

Just got back from the match. Samoa were awesome,a little disappointed in France not making a better game of it. Having said that ,it must be terrifying having men bigger and stronger than you but just as fast as you. Good atmosphere at the Halliwell Jones. When I tried booking my tickets in the south stand(standing)it said it was fully booked and I ended up behind the sticks. Did it look fully booked to any of you?

[Phil]

14 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

No that's not true at all.  Basketball, handball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse and apparently now cricket too base eligibility on nationality/citizenship.

I didn’t say all, I said most, you’ve just mentioned a few 

[StandOffHalf]

What a disgrace from France!

[StandOffHalf]

I love Vossy but he shouldn't have been commentating on that match IMO. France game, a Northern Hemisphere World Cup and Samoa get fawned over, drooled over, and are treated as the ''home'' side. His pronunciation of the French names was excruciating - Morgere, Roogere, etc.

Poor from the Beeb to give him that game.

[StandOffHalf]

Gosh, I didn't see that coming. An average Samoa team with some strike out wide shouldn't be 50+ points better than France in the Northern Hemisphere.

France's starts to games are a huge downside. Being 16 points down and then coming into it leaves them hanging on by a thread. Gigot kicks dead and the game slides by, quickly to become an embarrassing rout.

I do think the last try before HT should have been subject to a video ref or Captain's Challenge. I don't think Taupau's PTB came in before the siren sounded. It wouldn't have changed the result, but it's a little snippet that shows the favouritism that Samoa received. Voss, when Yaha scored his questionable try, was quick to say that Samoa could challenge its awarding. Nothing from him as the left winger crossed on HT. Perhaps he missed the siren?

What an awful and embarrassing night for French rugby league. As someone who's a quarter French myself, I nearly turned that off.

[Leyther_Matt]

26 minutes ago, moorside roughyed said:

Just got back from the match. Samoa were awesome,a little disappointed in France not making a better game of it. Having said that ,it must be terrifying having men bigger and stronger than you but just as fast as you. Good atmosphere at the Halliwell Jones. When I tried booking my tickets in the south stand(standing)it said it was fully booked and I ended up behind the sticks. Did it look fully booked to any of you?

It saves you about 15 quid tbf so not to be sniffed it.

Despite the full time nature of their team, the French looked no better than the Irish or Welsh. Going to be a lengthy post mortem (again) and it is the duty of all concerned in northern hemisphere RL to try and get the French as many games as possible before 2025.  

[Cheadle Leyther]

44 minutes ago, Niels said:

That is a very good question. 

I have looked at all the odds to win and reach the final.

I imagine 6-8 points start for Samoa would be what the bookmakers would offer. England v Tonga I think 2-4 start for Tonga. 

These are based on me predicting with regard to their odds now, as opposed to what I think.

Would this be about right?

Bet 365 have Tonga as 6 point favourites @10/11, and I think that has to be the bet with Jason Taumalolo in that form.

[StandOffHalf]

3 hours ago, Big Picture said:

I didn't say beating, I said thrashing.  Jamaica would never thrash any G7 country in any major sport and neither would any other tiny little island country.  And Jamaica's a lot bigger country than Samoa.

Sprinting, maybe...

[StandOffHalf]

3 hours ago, Futtocks said:

Well done to Mourgue for getting straight up again after THAT!

Lucky he didn't end up in the mourgue...

[StandOffHalf]

2 hours ago, SydneyRoosters said:

Ok well you do you, but the overall perception of the tournament from the public is very negative.

My brother said ''They should just cancel it, shouldn't they?'', when I mentioned the blow-outs today.

[Jim Prendle]

5 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

My brother said ''They should just cancel it, shouldn't they?'', when I mentioned the blow-outs today.

Must be hard to take that you are not even the most pessimistic person in your own house.

[Harry Stottle]

5 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

We have to grow game in France and Wales so we stop getting NRL refs who know who their salary is paid by. 

I know what you mean, they were 11 of the luckiest tries I have ever witnessed.

[meast]

4 hours ago, bratman said:

So even if you're born there but move away too young you still don't count as Samoan?

If my parents were born in England and I was born in, say, Spain, I'm English.

So don't know why people claim someone has to be born or lived in a country to be considered a national of that country.

If someone with Samoan parents was born outside of Samoa then they're still Samoans surely?

[bratman]

6 minutes ago, meast said:

If my parents were born in England and I was born in, say, Spain, I'm English.

So don't know why people claim someone has to be born or lived in a country to be considered a national of that country.

If someone with Samoan parents was born outside of Samoa then they're still Samoans surely?

Absolutely. Another thing is that you can tell how much it means to the players. To deny them their heritage is just wrong.

[Jean de Bordeaux]

Big mistake to not have admitted Toulouse in SuperLeague for a 2 years franchise !

Impossible for us to have a decent national team.