This week's SL Disciplinary cases...

[Expatknight]

Like most things in life these days it would appear that someone else is always to blame for anything we don’t like or agree with, when in reality in sport the answer is usually quite obvious , one team or the other did not perform as well as the other, either by making mistakes or foul play,  it isn’t rocket science as they say. A good team, no matter what sport shouldn’t put itself in the position where a bad call costs them the game, believe it it not refs are human and do make mistakes but it’s not through bias it is generally what they saw or didn’t see and they are held to account as their performances are monitored. Let’s not forget if there were no refs there would be no game, it is a thankless task and thank goodness there are still people out there who are willing to take up the whistle.

[Chrispmartha]

20 minutes ago, Barry Badrinath said:

Matty Lees does tackle like that already, and never gets pulled up for it.

There was a very similar tackle in the first set of the game by Walmsley.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

42 minutes ago, Expatknight said:

Like most things in life these days it would appear that someone else is always to blame for anything we don’t like or agree with, when in reality in sport the answer is usually quite obvious , one team or the other did not perform as well as the other, either by making mistakes or foul play,  it isn’t rocket science as they say. A good team, no matter what sport shouldn’t put itself in the position where a bad call costs them the game, believe it it not refs are human and do make mistakes but it’s not through bias it is generally what they saw or didn’t see and they are held to account as their performances are monitored. Let’s not forget if there were no refs there would be no game, it is a thankless task and thank goodness there are still people out there who are willing to take up the whistle.

Matty Peet is the epitome of class for this 

Wish all managers were like him 

[Padge]

5 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

The issue isn't the incompetence of the Ref for missing it, its the fact that when play is stopped he has the ability to ask the video Ref to review it to determine if there was foul play.

The fact is the Ref screwed up and ultimately cost Saints a win. He should have awarded a penalty to Saints 30 odd metres out, pretty much in front of the sticks, but instead he awarded Leeds a penalty for Welsby trying to point out there was an illegal shoulder charge.

Nothing that happens now will change the result and Leeds will know they got away with one. These things tend to even themselves out throughout a season and no doubt leeds will get screwed by an official at some point and hopefully lose a game on the back of it.

What should happen now is the officials get demoted to the Championship for several weeks as punishment for a poor performance that adversly affected the result of a game. 

How did he cost Saints a win, you had already missed an easy kick, you could have missed another or chosen to go for a try and failed. The officials discussed the incident and all 3 agreed no shoulder charge. To claim you would have won is pure arrogance.

When refs used to ask the VR to look at things previously which were none scoring loads of supporters were up in arms so they cut most of it out, again all 3 officials agreed so no need to go to VR.

[Saint Toppy]

3 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Im sure we will, but im also sure we won’t be disgracing ourselves live on sky.

You already did in Rnd 1 !!!

[Chrispmartha]

14 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said:

You already did in Rnd 1 !!!

I don’t remember our fans screaming swearing and harassing at the POM and the opposition coach live on TV.

[Faithful1865]

7 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

The issue isn't the incompetence of the Ref for missing it, its the fact that when play is stopped he has the ability to ask the video Ref to review it to determine if there was foul play.

The fact is the Ref screwed up and ultimately cost Saints a win. He should have awarded a penalty to Saints 30 odd metres out, pretty much in front of the sticks, but instead he awarded Leeds a penalty for Welsby trying to point out there was an illegal shoulder charge.

Nothing that happens now will change the result and Leeds will know they got away with one. These things tend to even themselves out throughout a season and no doubt leeds will get screwed by an official at some point and hopefully lose a game on the back of it.

What should happen now is the officials get demoted to the Championship for several weeks as punishment for a poor performance that adversly affected the result of a game. 

You should buy your grapes somewhere else. The ones you had were obviously sour.

[GUBRATS]

11 hours ago, Old Frightful said:

Is that the official Hull KR video with their official commentator?

"He's claiming to have been hit in the face, that just didn't happen"

It certainly looks like it did, I guess he only saw what he wanted to.

It was probably not much in the way of contact and the player on the ground was perhaps milking it a bit but, as has already been pointed out, you can't drag a player to his feet no matter what your opinion of what has or hasn't happened is.

I have sympathy for SKD, he was probably frustrated knowing the grounded player wasn't injured but rules are rules.

Jamie Acton got a 7 match ban for picking up an injured player ( who wasn't injured ) , so SKD has got off lightly 

[Old Frightful]

5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Jamie Acton got a 7 match ban for picking up an injured player ( who wasn't injured ) , so SKD has got off lightly 

My word.

Did he pick him up by his throat?

[Old Frightful]

Shaun Kenny Dowall hit with four match ban.

https://www.totalrl.com/hull-kr-captain-shaun-kenny-dowall-given-lengthy-ban-after-being-found-guilty-at-tribunal/

 

[David Dockhouse Host]

Halifax lad got 8 games last year, not sure what impacts the amount differences 

[sam4731]

24 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

Halifax lad got 8 games last year, not sure what impacts the amount differences 

 

[yipyee]

On 06/03/2023 at 20:08, sam4731 said:

We may have lost but according to the MRP we shouldn't have done. Penalty for shoulder charge given, we take the two and win. Simple as.

No as the decision was always going to be overturned for welsby rushing in.

He should have been sin binned though.

The decision that changed the game was the lack of an 8 point try. Now that has gone quiet considering the 2 given the night before, neither was as bad an incident

[yipyee]

18 hours ago, Padge said:

How did he cost Saints a win, you had already missed an easy kick, you could have missed another or chosen to go for a try and failed. The officials discussed the incident and all 3 agreed no shoulder charge. To claim you would have won is pure arrogance.

When refs used to ask the VR to look at things previously which were none scoring loads of supporters were up in arms so they cut most of it out, again all 3 officials agreed so no need to go to VR.

Its for this reason that the captains challenge was invented.

Be a farce in this country though as the refs are that bad.

The worst one last season was a try that went to the video ref and he gave it, it was the one where the hooker dove through the legs of the bloke playing the ball..

[phiggins]

15 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

Jamie Acton got a 7 match ban for picking up an injured player ( who wasn't injured ) , so SKD has got off lightly 

Not sure the 2 are particularly like for like. While I don't believe for one second that Bird was injured, he was laid still on the ground, and Acton's move was more aggresive. If I remember rightly, he went to lift him by the collar with both hands and then just threw him back to the ground. In SKD's case, the Leigh player (Reynolds?) was just holding his face, and it was clear there was no major injury that would be worsened by moving him.

But, I don't understand why SKD would feel the need to lift him in the first place. Similar bans have been given for it, and if an attacker wants to spend an age at the play the ball while holding his face, let him while you get your defensive line set. It's just a stupid thing to do.

[ELBOWSEYE]

52 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Not sure the 2 are particularly like for like. While I don't believe for one second that Bird was injured, he was laid still on the ground, and Acton's move was more aggresive. If I remember rightly, he went to lift him by the collar with both hands and then just threw him back to the ground. In SKD's case, the Leigh player (Reynolds?) was just holding his face, and it was clear there was no major injury that would be worsened by moving him.

But, I don't understand why SKD would feel the need to lift him in the first place. Similar bans have been given for it, and if an attacker wants to spend an age at the play the ball while holding his face, let him while you get your defensive line set. It's just a stupid thing to do.

The NRL HIA policy has virtually eliminated the over egging the tackle and lying down waiting for the referee to stop the game and hoping for a penalty. If a player is prone for 10 seconds the independent doctors removes the player to get an assessment (minimum 15 minutes). A Broncos player did this against Penrith and didn't get a penalty but was removed for HIA. Maybe we need something similar. 

 

[Harry Stottle]

On 06/03/2023 at 21:03, GUBRATS said:

Those awful Aussie mullets with the sides shaved I assume ?

A'hem, Tom Nisbet?

[LeeF]

4 hours ago, yipyee said:

No as the decision was always going to be overturned for welsby rushing in.

He should have been sin binned though.

The decision that changed the game was the lack of an 8 point try. Now that has gone quiet considering the 2 given the night before, neither was as bad an incident

As many have previously posted the decision would not have been overturned for Welsby rushing in and inflaming the situation.
Now if Welsby had shown some discipline & stayed out of an incident not involving him then Saints would have retained possession and maybe even scored

[David Dockhouse Host]

8 hours ago, yipyee said:

No as the decision was always going to be overturned for welsby rushing in.

He should have been sin binned though.

The decision that changed the game was the lack of an 8 point try. Now that has gone quiet considering the 2 given the night before, neither was as bad an incident

Not all shoulder charges are a sin bin offence. As shoulder charges go this one has mitigating factors so likely just a penalty.

The 8 point try, for me the question is, would it be a penalty on open play or just play on, it has nothing to do with what happened the evening before, the rules haven't changed.

I don't believe in open play it would be a penalty, it's a player slipping as he attempt to hold the ball carrier, didn't start high, wasn't severe contact, yes it looked rough as his head looks like it's in an awkward position. It's 50/50 for me so not issue either way, in real time close up the ref sees it and makes a decision.

Bombed try, missed kicks and persistent fouls cost Saints.

Looking at Paul Wellens review I believe he realises this and isn't appealing. 

It's an easy fix for Saints, they still the best team but on the night not much between them and Leeds and the Rhinos pipped it. Two sides played, game was close and one team won, simple as that, pointing to the ref is deflection.

[David Dockhouse Host]

8 hours ago, yipyee said:

Its for this reason that the captains challenge was invented.

Be a farce in this country though as the refs are that bad.

The worst one last season was a try that went to the video ref and he gave it, it was the one where the hooker dove through the legs of the bloke playing the ball..

Saying all refs are bad because they made an error last year is like saying all rugby players are that bad as Makinson dropped the ball over the line.

[LeeF]

11 hours ago, yipyee said:

Its for this reason that the captains challenge was invented.

Be a farce in this country though as the refs are that bad.

The worst one last season was a try that went to the video ref and he gave it, it was the one where the hooker dove through the legs of the bloke playing the ball..

And the majority of captains challenges in the WC did not overturn the decision. 
 

The referees in this country make substantially less errors than any player as evidenced every single week so if the referees are “that bad” what does it make players? I mean imagine giving away a penalty whilst in possession for running in. The epitome of stupidity