Sat 17th Jun: CCQF: Hull FC v St Helens KO 14:30 (BBC)

[Dunbar]

41 minutes ago, Snowys Backside said:

Don’t be ashamed. What do you think he said to him ?  We have heard what Aussies have said to the refs involving bans after the event. 
 

If he called him every exploitive in the book, he deserves to go !  8 games, nothing less. 
 

It’s my opinion that’s all. Lost Hull the game which was competitive. We don’t even know what was discussed ! Either way, it was short and sweet so we can all guess !

I guess you are pretty angry with him for spoiling a good game?

[Wellsy4HullFC]

1 hour ago, Chris22 said:

Saints had more possession and territory in the first half and I expect would have won 13 v 13.

Check the stats against Warrington and Wigan. Massively under pressure throughout, held strong and got the win. I feel we could have done the same with 13 men.

Such a waste. Hopefully get them back next week.

[Damien]

2 hours ago, Snowys Backside said:

What Griffin said to him was personal. Had no bearing physically on the game !

 

Birch him after that but that game was spoiled be the ref imho. 
 

If it was for foul play or for verbals whilst in play, no complaints from me. 

The game was spoiled, if indeed it was at all, by Griffin abusing the referee. Blame Griffin, not the referee.

[Sandy]

Whatever has been said by Griffin, personal to the ref or about the game, you do not carry on back chatting, especially when he has shown you a yellow card. With Griffin on the field, Hull could have won that game and this is coming from a Hull KR supporter who would have loved to have seen another Wembley Derby, because well into my 70's, I becoming fearful of seeing any chance of that again. My Brother in law and myself used to coach youngsters teams, 5 to 16 years of age, back in the 70's and 80's and we used to instill into them the discipline of that, once a ref has made a decision, he is not going to change his mind, be it right, wrong or a mistake and not to back chat and lose us 10 yards. It worked very well throughout our teams and we gave away very few penalties and 10 yards to refereeing decisions. This is not a post about referees always being right and consistency, it's about a player who today most very likely lost his team the game through not zipping it.

 

 

[Snowys Backside]

10 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I guess you are pretty angry with him for spoiling a good game?

I just think he is a very inconsistent ref!  I'm a Leigh fan and I can't stand the! 

Oops, red card! 

[Dunbar]

2 minutes ago, Snowys Backside said:

I just think he is a very inconsistent ref!  I'm a Leigh fan and I can't stand the! 

Oops, red card! 

I was talking about Griffin. 

[Futtocks]

The really annoying thing for Hull FC must be that a lot of what they were doing well was involving Griffin. He was having a good game and could have been part of an amazing win.

[Chris22]

19 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Check the stats against Warrington and Wigan. Massively under pressure throughout, held strong and got the win. I feel we could have done the same with 13 men.

Such a waste. Hopefully get them back next week.

Didn't see the Wigan game but yes, fair point about Warrington. From what I've seen, Hull have been very clinical of late.

Whilst I'm still confident we would have won, it's certainly up for debate and as a minimum, it probably would have been a one-score gap one way or another, rather than three.

[Snowys Backside]

10 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I was talking about Griffin. 

Red card!  

[Exiled Wiganer]

49 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Check the stats against Warrington and Wigan. Massively under pressure throughout, held strong and got the win. I feel we could have done the same with 13 men.

Such a waste. Hopefully get them back next week.

I don’t watch Griffin much, but he has always seemed to be an “on the edge” player. I guess there is always a heightened risk with that sort of player in your team, but it seems really at odds with the way a Smith coached player normally behaves. We have players like Smithies for whom there is always a balance between their good points and their tendency to be a liability. So, it can be just part of the price you pay (like I suppose Saints weigh up with Knowles). 

[Dunbar]

21 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

I don’t watch Griffin much, but he has always seemed to be an “on the edge” player. I guess there is always a heightened risk with that sort of player in your team, but it seems really at odds with the way a Smith coached player normally behaves. We have players like Smithies for whom there is always a balance between their good points and their tendency to be a liability. So, it can be just part of the price you pay (like I suppose Saints weigh up with Knowles). 

I am sure that coaches make a judgement call when it comes to the value of having a player on the team who plays on the edge.  There is real value in those super competitive players and sometimes they overstep the line.  I am sure they accept that will happen.

I am reminded of the Aussie coach from the 80' (?) Who said you always need 4 props in your squad as one will be banned at any given time.

But that is all about playing on the edge.  Getting a red for dissent is almost the complete opposite of that.  It is throwing away your contribution to the game for no reason... it really is a genuine zero value play.

A coach may not be critical in public but privately they will be fuming.

[Tippytoe]

2 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

As I didn't actually watch the game but was listening to it on the radio, only coming indoors to see the scores ( and Griffin ) am I to assume Mr Kendall had one of his ' picky ' performances ? 

Yes that would be a good choice of word that hopefully wouldn't offend certain mods.

[Tippytoe]

1 hour ago, Damien said:

The game was spoiled, if indeed it was at all, by Griffin abusing the referee. Blame Griffin, not the referee.

I'm intrigued would you mind enlightening me of what exactly Griffin said to Abuse the referee as you are obviously more informed than myself? An indiscretion is one thing Abuse is another Tia.

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, Tippytoe said:

I'm intrigued would you mind enlightening me of what exactly Griffin said to Abuse the referee as you are obviously more informed than myself? An indiscretion is one thing Abuse is another Tia.

He got a yellow card and a red card. That speaks for itself. That doesn't happen for just having a polite chat with the referee. You know that though.

[HullWire]

6 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:

the weak and pointless commentary  just stating the obvious  from the token woke female - UNBEARABLE - bring back proper commentators 

Moronic comment

[JohnM]

Changing-room TV captured a disconsolate Griffin, head in hands, being comforted by his wife (?) and child after everyone else had left. He knew what he'd done ...and probably fears the outcome from the disciplinary panel.

[JohnM]

Re the commentary, which I felt was fine. . The game was on free-to-air national TV where we'd be looking to attract new fans. In my view, to succeed, we needed a commentary team and style that was aimed more at them than at passionate fans such as may post on here. I think we got that.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

21 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Re the commentary, which I felt was fine. . The game was on free-to-air national TV where we'd be looking to attract new fans. In my view, to succeed, we needed a commentary team and style that was aimed more at them than at passionate fans such as may post on here. I think we got that.

I am a massive rugby league ....I watch tonnes and thought the first half was dynamite .....brilliant it was on BBC free to air 

As soon as Kendall got personal and sent Griffin off I watched not a minute more. Went straight to the test match and only got the score at 6pm

Yellow card yes agreed.... then he lost his temper and red carded far too quickly. Should have called him over after the second murmur from Griffin and have him a warning to watch it or he'd get a red 

Massive opportunity missed on a great BBC1 slot to have a crackerjack game and maybe a surprise result ...all because the bloke who is supposed to keep a calm head lost his temper

I suspect a lot of casual fans would have binned it off after that too as all hope was always going to be gone. 

Lost opppurtinity 

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Bedfordshire Bronco

[Damien]

1 minute ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I am a massive rugby league ....I watch tonnes and thought the first half was dynamite .....brilliant it was on BBC free to air 

As soon as Kendall got personal and sent Griffin off I watched not a minute more 

Yellow card yes....then then he lost his temper and red carded far too quickly. Should have calle dhim over after the second murmur from Griffin and have him a warning to watch it or he'd get a red 

Massive opportunity missed on a great BBC1 slot to have a crackerjack game a d maybe a surprise result 

I suspect a lot of casual fans would have binned it off after that too as all hope was always going to be gone. 

 

The yellow card was a quite obvious warning. Griffin chose to ignore that and continue. That's his fault.

[JohnM]

10 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I am a massive rugby league ....I watch tonnes and thought the first half was dynamite .....brilliant it was on BBC free to air 

As soon as Kendall got personal and sent Griffin off I watched not a minute more. Went straight to the test match and only got the score at 6pm

Yellow card yes agreed.... then he lost his temper and red carded far too quickly. Should have called him over after the second murmur from Griffin and have him a warning to watch it or he'd get a red 

Massive opportunity missed on a great BBC1 slot to have a crackerjack game and maybe a surprise result ...all because the bloke who is supposed to keep a calm head lost his temper

I suspect a lot of casual fans would have binned it off after that too as all hope was always going to be gone. 

Lost opppurtinity 

 

I can't agree. It wasn't a lost opportunity. It was a great example of what happens in rugby league when players disrespect the official and thus something I feel would have been appreciated by the audience.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

Just now, JohnM said:

I can't agree. It wasn't a lost opportunity. It was a great example of what happens in rugby league when players disrespect the official and thus something I feel would have been appreciated by the audience.

Casual fans did not tune in to see RFL officials flexing thier muscles ...they wouldn't care and probably didn't watch what happened after anyway 

[Magic Superbeetle]

12 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Casual fans did not tune in to see RFL officials flexing thier muscles ...they wouldn't care and probably didn't watch what happened after anyway 

But if we want a game for casual viewers to tune into do away with the sporting element entirely and script the full thing.

Anyone who’s ever played the game knows you don’t mouth off at the ref. The fact Griffin got sin binned and still chose to continue isn’t Kendal “flexing their muscles” so much as basic refereeing. If we didn’t penalise talking back at the ref we would end up in footballs position in a matter of years.

[Damien]

19 minutes ago, JohnM said:

I can't agree. It wasn't a lost opportunity. It was a great example of what happens in rugby league when players disrespect the official and thus something I feel would have been appreciated by the audience.

I'm sure football fans would be thinking that they wish there was a lot more of that in Football.

[Phil]

7 hours ago, Roy Haggerty said:

You can be sent off at any point mate. I once sent someone off in the changing room corridor!

I once red carded someone in the bar half an hour after the game

[jacksy]

I will be interested to hear what was said that made a red card necessary.