Fri 4th Oct: SL SF: Hull KR v Warrington Wolves KO 20:00 (Sky)

[gingerjon]

Regardless of how it happened, KR up by 10 at the break feels a fair reflection of how the teams are performing. 

[StandOffHalf]

7 minutes ago, dkw said:

Maybe your 4 defenders should have kept him out.

They did, in all likelihood.

[Dave T]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Possibly but we need sharper and brighter pictures - other sports manage it but our tech hasn’t developed in 20 years.

One thing I would say is that I think what Sky show is is worse than what the VR sees. For example, when we watch the VR pics, it's grainy and blurred, yet when the try is awarded the go back to standard quality and it's often clearer than what we've been watching for 5 minutes!

[dkw]

Is Vaughan injured, very surprised he wasn't on the pitch earlier as the KR pack kept rolling over the defence.

Edited October 4 by dkw

[Dave T]

Just now, gingerjon said:

Regardless of how it happened, KR up by 10 at the break feels a fair reflection of how the teams are performing. 

I'd be perfectly comfortable with 6 tbh. Kr have dominated territory and possession, but haven't been too fluid in attack really. Wire have shifted the ball better and King and Ashton are getting some space. Before we then kick it dead and let KR go the length!

[northamptoncougar]

If the TJ gave it I assume Moore has to go with the call?

[bratman]

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

Is Vaughan injured, very surprised he wasn't on the pitch earlier as the KR pack kept rolling over the defence.

Thought Rovers pack was well on top in the first half

[Hopie]

7 minutes ago, Click said:

Ref's have to make educated guesses all game long. 

Any try that goes to the VR is at least an "I am not sure" situation, no reason for the video ref to be bound by that initial guess. So many times I have listened to a video ref talk through a decision where you can hear they don't agree with the on field call but are reluctant to overrule it, they should be looking for the right decisions, not a reason to agree with a colleague.

[Dave T]

I'm not a massive plan of that last play of us passing out to Tai to run into touch.

[Agbrigg]

Wire pack look like a bunch of schoolkids playing men. Also cant understand the hype regarding nicholson

[dkw]

Just now, bratman said:

Thought Rovers pack was well on top in the first half

Me too, that's why i was surprised Vaughan want on the pitch quite early.

[Padge]

1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

The optics were of arms under the ball as he got to the line.

Saying No Try on-field is how those sorts of things should be reffed. You then let the VR see whether there is any evidence of the ball on the try-line.

Wrong way around by the on-field ref. I think that might be the game.

 

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

[dkw]

Just now, Dave T said:

I'm not a massive plan of that last play of us passing out to Tai to run into touch.

 

[sentoffagain2]

  Before the prolonged look for the try 5 or 6 Warrington players were asking Moore why he had sent it up as a try.

[StandOffHalf]

7 minutes ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Garbage decision by Liam Moore. No way that he had a good enough view to send it up as a try. That push pressure on Jack Smith not to over rule. Moore should have sent it up as no try and then let Smith decide either way. 

Exactly. Wrong way around by the on-field ref.

[dkw]

Just now, sentoffagain2 said:

  Before the prolonged look for the try 5 or 6 Warrington players were asking Moore why he had sent it up as a try.

I'm sure if he had sent it up as no try the KR players would have been asking him why.

[Dave T]

1 minute ago, Agbrigg said:

Wire pack look like a bunch of schoolkids playing men. Also cant understand the hype regarding nicholson

I made the point after last week, I think our pack is off at the moment. We lack a leader, a bit too passive. They were outplayed by Saints pack, and HKR are a step above us too.

A fully fit Fitzgibbon is a big miss for our pack.

[StandOffHalf]

''Emotional arousal''

[Sports Prophet]

4 minutes ago, northamptoncougar said:

If the TJ gave it I assume Moore has to go with the call?

Unless he has clear vision to the contrary

[sentoffagain2]

1 minute ago, dkw said:

I'm sure if he had sent it up as no try the KR players would have been asking him why.

  I don't think so no one but the try scorer was close enough to see.

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

Thanks for that. Annoyingly helpful.

[Padge]

3 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

 

2 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

Exactly. Wrong way around by the on-field ref.

He got it right, see above.

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, Padge said:

The Laws of The Game say that a referee cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded, the ref is giving his decision based on the laws. If he doesn't see it grounded he is obliged to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt. 

From the notes on the scoring section of the laws.

Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because they were not in a position to see the grounding of the ball.

I almost tagged you i to this discussion, because I know you often quote this.

I do wonder whether this is relating to a clear put down of the ball where his view is obstructed rather than an incident where he is right there and can see the ball held up. 

Otherwise, we would see more tries given on tackles over the line as they'd just have to give a try if he loses sight of the ball for a split second.

[gingerjon]

6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm not a massive plan of that last play of us passing out to Tai to run into touch.

"Just like we worked it out on the training field ..."

[Gerrumonside ref]

Next try has to be for Warrington doesn’t it if they want to stay afloat now?