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gingerjon
gingerjon

There's been a tribunal about it and everything.

The Phantom Horseman
The Phantom Horseman

"Sheffield Eagles are delighted to announce our new player-coach, Cory Aston."

RP London
RP London

While i have sympathy for the fact that protocols may not have been met properly and processes not followed which is problematic there seems to be one key fundamental in here. "On the morning of the W

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JohnM

JohnM

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Unusually for me: being fair, the guy and his family will be seriously affected by his punishment so I don't blame him for appealing. ...if indeed he has appealed in time. Perhaps League Express can shed some light.

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gingerjon

gingerjon

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7 hours ago, M j M said:

League Express continues to perpetuate the falsehood that it was up to the RFL to stop Aston from picking a player who wasn't signed off by the club doctor.

Every club who has ever played an ineligible player will hope this works and all those punishments can be overturned because the onus was on the governing body to stop them.

I'm not understanding the rest of it. It would be good to see the Appeal process laid out and what the process is. It could simply be that the Appeal needs to go in before Sporting Resolutions get involved. Or it could be something more. But this doesn't really explain it.

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M j M

M j M

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1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Every club who has ever played an ineligible player will hope this works and all those punishments can be overturned because the onus was on the governing body to stop them.

I'm not understanding the rest of it. It would be good to see the Appeal process laid out and what the process is. It could simply be that the Appeal needs to go in before Sporting Resolutions get involved. Or it could be something more. But this doesn't really explain it.

Given how bad the rest of League Express's reporting is on this my starting assumption has to be that they are, let's be polite, not understanding the sequencing of the appeals process.

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Worzel

Worzel

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9 hours ago, M j M said:

League Express continues to perpetuate the falsehood that it was up to the RFL to stop Aston from picking a player who wasn't signed off by the club doctor.

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-blocks-mark-aston-from-sport-resolution-arbitration-service-as-sheffield-eagles-boss-ponders-appeal/

What is their agenda here?

They think "Mark is a good bloke, he didn't mean any harm"

Well I'm sorry, but that's not how professional sport works. He had a duty of care to the player, Aston was clearly aware that the player hadn't been signed off to play and yet chose to play him anyway. That doesn't seem to be in dispute. To argue that just because the governing body might have been able to do even more to stop him making that decision, even though the procedures had been clearly laid out and all parties involved should know them, is in any way a mitigation is nonsense.

If I tell the police I'm considering robbing a house, it doesn't give me a free pass to do so if they don't turn up to stop me on the night. 

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The Blues Ox

The Blues Ox

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League Express on one hand running the Gary Schofield story and on the other hand running a story that seems happy that a coach played a player who was not passed fit from a head injury. Slight double standards.

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JohnM

JohnM

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9 hours ago, M j M said:

League Express continues to perpetuate the falsehood that it was up to the RFL to stop Aston from picking a player who wasn't signed off by the club doctor.

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-blocks-mark-aston-from-sport-resolution-arbitration-service-as-sheffield-eagles-boss-ponders-appeal/

What is their agenda here?

What is their agenda here?

I've been wondering that, too. there are several possibilities.

1. An independent (not impartial) voice, calling the RFL etc to account for their actions. In this case, aiming to get the RFL to respond with a detailed explanation of the appeals process.

2. The champion of the everyman's game, fighting for the small guy against the domination of the sport by the NRL and SL.

3. A fundametal opposition to the "Re-imaginng Rugby League" project.

Certainly, the article tries to  paint the RFL in a negative light: RFL blocks Mark Aston from Sport Resolution arbitration service as Sheffield Eagles boss ponders appeal" without disussing whether Mark Aston has blocked himself by not following due and agreed process by lodging his apeal in the proper way, within time. Equally, the headline could have been "RFL blocks Mark Aston from I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here as Sheffield Eagles boss ponders appeal"

Anyone who wacthes the otherwise excellent weekly podcast will find it easy to detect an underlying current of dissatisfaction with and opposition to the current rugby league governance.

Lets see what Garry Scofield has to say on his next appearance.

M j M

M j M

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32 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Anyone who wacthes the otherwise excellent weekly podcast will find it easy to detect an underlying current of dissatisfaction with and opposition to the current rugby league governance.

Lets see what Garry Scofield has to say on his next appearance.

There is a reason proper news organisations keep the opinion and the news sections separate.

League Express is deliberately stoking up this rubbish, running reporting which goes counter to the facts of the case and which disregards who was actually responsible for not following the key processes in place to protect players.

We all have concerns about how the RFL is run, some of the decisions they make and strategies they follow.

But that is irrelevant to this case. If they are allowing issues with the RFL to pollute the news section that's both dangerous and would further undermine LE's once respected place in the sport's media landscape, compounding the problems we all know about with the Senior Clickbait Reporter.

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Griff

Griff

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10 hours ago, M j M said:

League Express continues to perpetuate the falsehood that it was up to the RFL to stop Aston from picking a player who wasn't signed off by the club doctor.

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-blocks-mark-aston-from-sport-resolution-arbitration-service-as-sheffield-eagles-boss-ponders-appeal/

What is their agenda here?

Fair hearing ?     

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

M j M

M j M

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2 minutes ago, Griff said:

Fair hearing ?     

Aston has had a fair hearing, it found he broke the very clear rules which have been put in place to protect players - and to protect the sport. He has a chance to appeal, we don't know if he's taken that up yet.

Creating a lie that Aston hasn't had a fair hearing is just as bad as lying that it was up to anyone other than Aston to be clear who he could or could not pick in his team.

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Griff

Griff

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Just now, M j M said:

Aston has had a fair hearing, it found he broke the very clear rules which have been put in place to protect players - and to protect the sport. He has a chance to appeal, we don't know if he's taken that up yet.

Creating a lie that Aston hasn't had a fair hearing is just as bad as lying that it was up to anyone other than Aston to be clear who he could or could not pick in his team.

A fair hearing would include the right to call his own witnesses.  We're talking about taking away a person's livelihood for two years.  Maybe for ever.  The process should reflect that and not conducted on the same level as deciding whether a player should get two or three games for a high tackle.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

JohnM

JohnM

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A fair hearing means a hearing in line with the disciplnary process as signed up to by everyone. 

A fair hearing does not mean going outside that process when you don't like the result.

Playng a player who has not been cleared to play is a very VERY serious issue indeed, especially as the consequencies in later life can be very serious. 

In any case, who says he could not call his own witnesses? Aston? League Express? 

 

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mozzauk

mozzauk

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I dont think its the hearing that is in question, its more for me at least the outcome which seem disproportionate to the offence...

JohnM

JohnM

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33 minutes ago, JohnM said:

 

5 minutes ago, mozzauk said:

I dont think its the hearing that is in question, its more for me at least the outcome which seem disproportionate to the offence...

Understood and yes, at first reading it does seem so.   If that's how Aston feels, too, all the more reason for him to appeal in line with the rules. He can remove any doubt instantly.

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Dave W

Dave W

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They all had 2-3 months to prepare for the case.

Nothing was revealed publicly about the allegations/investigations but I find it difficult to believe that the parties involved would have been ignorant of what happened and what the repercussions might be.

Griff

Griff

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44 minutes ago, JohnM said:

A fair hearing means a hearing in line with the disciplnary process as signed up to by everyone. 

 

Signed up to?

I don't remember signing anything.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

Impartial Observer

Impartial Observer

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38 minutes ago, Griff said:

Signed up to?

I don't remember signing anything.

If you are a player, coach, volunteer etc you are subject to the operational rules which the disciplinary process is part of which you agree to when registering for the season or signing your contract 

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Expatknight

Expatknight

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55 minutes ago, mozzauk said:

I dont think its the hearing that is in question, its more for me at least the outcome which seem disproportionate to the offence...

  His actions could have had very serious consequences, as head coach he has responsibilites, you know that when you take on the role, if you step outside the laws of the game you have to accept you will be punished. In this day and age the game, and sport as a whole, cannot have such a laissez-faire attitude to safety and players welfare, we have moved on from  ' Sunday bloody Sunday ' attitudes.

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Griff

Griff

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6 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said:

If you are a player, coach, volunteer etc you are subject to the operational rules which the disciplinary process is part of which you agree to when registering for the season or signing your contract 

News to me.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

gingerjon

gingerjon

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6 minutes ago, Griff said:

News to me.

Section D1. It's pretty clear.

But then you know that already.

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LeeF

LeeF

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1 hour ago, mozzauk said:

I dont think its the hearing that is in question, its more for me at least the outcome which seem disproportionate to the offence...

So you don’t think the offence is that bad? Care to expand

mozzauk

mozzauk

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8 minutes ago, LeeF said:

So you don’t think the offence is that bad? Care to expand

It is a serious offence, but it isnt 18mths worth of an offence and ruining a coaches career and livelihood.. FFS I could spear tackle a player and get a lot less, or punch 7 shades out of a player and get a lot less. 

The RFL are trying to make an example of Mark, Mick and others, and all it does is make a lot of fans distrust the RFL even more than they do already.. 

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