Sheffield

[robt]

2 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Yeah I have seen the post by Aston's daughter which has been shared to various rugby groups and lots of junior coaches have signed it without knowing the full facts. I think if they were presented with the full details of the case they would be a little more reluctant.

I know a couple of coaches at clubs that have signed the petition, who are of the opinion that its not Astons fault, and the medical staff stitched him up. One of them has read the judgement and come up with that. 

 

 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

3 hours ago, The Blues Ox said:

Yeah I have seen the post by Aston's daughter which has been shared to various rugby groups and lots of junior coaches have signed it without knowing the full facts. I think if they were presented with the full details of the case they would be a little more reluctant.

 

49 minutes ago, robt said:

I know a couple of coaches at clubs that have signed the petition, who are of the opinion that its not Astons fault, and the medical staff stitched him up. One of them has read the judgement and come up with that. 

 

 

I think the RFL has its work cut out to educate some of those involved in the game.

[tim2]

10 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

 

I think the RFL has its work cut out to educate some of those involved in the game.

On almost any topic, to be fair.

These forums would provide ample evidence of that.

[robt]

29 minutes ago, tim2 said:

On almost any topic, to be fair.

These forums would provide ample evidence of that.

Definitely Tim.

I'm not perfect, but, looking at some opinions on the ban elsewhere just make me wonder what people actually think.

[Expatknight]

4 minutes ago, robt said:

Definitely Tim.

I'm not perfect, but, looking at some opinions on the ban elsewhere just make me wonder what people actually think.

some people need saving from themselves, common sense appears to be in very short supply these days, sadly.

[Tommygilf]

Feels like this is another deflection job, at best it seems to suggest the punishment should be reduced...

Edited November 1, 2024 by Tommygilf

[Tommygilf]

A lot of talk of "Career Ending" bans on social media too, which seems deliberately melodramatic.

[Archie Gordon]

42 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Feels like this is another deflection job, at best it seems to suggest the punishment should be reduced...

That is an awful take (JD's, not TG's). The section on Cole and her status is pretty appalling.

[JonM]

11 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

That is an awful take (JD's, not TG's). The section on Cole and her status is pretty appalling.

Yes, ignores that she worked on head traumas in A&E for years. She's club doctor at Hunslet now, surprised that hasn't been used as a defence too.

[Tommygilf]

Just now, Archie Gordon said:

That is an awful take (JD's, not TG's). The section on Cole and her status is pretty appalling.

It's not great is it, at least it reads not great...

It starts off in shambolic fashion I feel by questioning the independence of the Judge as point one.

[Expatknight]

At the end of the day Marsh was not cleared to play, Aston and his phsio took it upon themselves to ignore this, Aston as coach is totally responsible. To question the competence of the person who brought it to light and furthermore , by implication, the integrity of the panel is reprehensible. 

[Tommygilf]

2 minutes ago, JonM said:

Yes, ignores that she worked on head traumas in A&E for years. She's club doctor at Hunslet now, surprised that hasn't been used as a defence too.

She's just a skin care therapist mate don't you know...

Those opening points tarnish any genuinely important critiques of the RFL processes. They also suggest exactly where this sort of piece has originated, and perhaps more than that on a broader front why indeed the whole sport is in a pickle over head injuries.

[Archie Gordon]

2 minutes ago, Expatknight said:

... To question the competence of the person who brought it to light and furthermore , by implication, the integrity of the panel is reprehensible. 

It's cowardly and nasty. A better piece from JD would have revealed who has badmouthed Cole in this way. Now that would make an interesting story. 

[AB Knight]

Hold your hands up, admit you made a big mistake in the heat and pressure of the moment/head coaching, agree to go on some kind of RFL ‘don’t do it again’ course, spend 18 months on gardening leave helping out with whatever off field activity you can/are allowed to (just like my club York, I’ve thought for a while the Eagles social media needs a bit more), go to the Winchester for a few pints while it all blows over. Return in 18 months raring to go. Simples.

Edited November 1, 2024 by AB Knight

[Tommygilf]

9 minutes ago, AB Knight said:

Hold your hands up, admit you made a big mistake in the heat and pressure of the moment/head coaching, agree to go on some kind of RFL ‘don’t do it again’ course, spend 18 months on gardening leave helping out with whatever off field activity you can/are allowed to (just like my club York, I’ve thought for a while the Eagles social media needs a bit more), go to the Winchester for a few pints while it all blows over. Return in 18 months raring to go. Simples.

If there had been some acceptance at the first opportunity...

[RBKnight]

40 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

That is an awful take (JD's, not TG's). The section on Cole and her status is pretty appalling.

Couldn't agree more - the section on the relative NHS gradings of an Advanced Nurse Practitioner and a Physio are embarrassing. The fact is that the club failed to refer MM's case to the person nominated to fill the the role of doctor for a fortnight after a failed HIA.

[M j M]

Jeez another article which shows just what a state British Rugby Leaugue journalism is. Anything vaguely complicated and they just fall apart.

[Click]

1 hour ago, M j M said:

Jeez another article which shows just what a state British Rugby Leaugue journalism is. Anything vaguely complicated and they just fall apart.

I was about to write something very similar to this, JD showing the issue with RL journalism in this country and how seemingly buddy-buddy everyone. 

When he tried to attack the club doctors qualifications by referring to her other business was quite something.

[gittinsfan]

If Hannah Cole is not a Doctor,does this mean that Sheffield do not employ a qualified Doctor to oversee these injuries.Is this allowed?

[Hopie]

So having read that article, the main additions seem to be he wasn't cleared but he should have been and the person who was in charge of clearing him could have been someone else but it wasn't. So once again we have a player who was known not to be cleared to play, picked for the match day squad and those in charge deciding to deal with the consequences later. The article also tries to undermine a number of the other people involved in the situation and appeal which isn't going to help resolve the matter.

All seems like something that should have been dealt with before the game, approach the doctor/medical person with new evidence, appoint someone else qualified to clear the player if that was an option, or go to the person in charge of this area at the RFL to try and reach an understanding about what to do in these specific circumstances. 

[gingerjon]

32 minutes ago, gittinsfan said:

If Hannah Cole is not a Doctor,does this mean that Sheffield do not employ a qualified Doctor to oversee these injuries.Is this allowed?

Fill yer boots: https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/Medical Standards 2024.pdf

[JonM]

21 minutes ago, Hopie said:

go to the person in charge of this area at the RFL to try and reach an understanding about what to do in these specific circumstances. 

Which is what they did. And of course, that person told them that Marsh couldn't play. Which they then ignored.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

I'm sure when the 'head injuries' claim finally gets heard a punishment of a slap on the wrist for someone completely ignoring the game's HIA protocols will do wonders to help mitigate any sanctions imposed on the ruling body......

[gittinsfan]

3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Fill yer boots: https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/Medical Standards 2024.pdf

Thanks for that,my boots are well and truly filled.

[RP London]

Career ending punishments are ok if what you do is severe enough. Simple. HSE, for example, can put you in jail. 

Is this severe enough? Arguable.

Is this career ending? No it's 18 months

Will his career continue in the same position? Different question than career ending and maybe he cannot coach anymore as he may well have lost the trust of future players/clubs. But many coaches have that happen due to poor results based on things like injuries, he decided on circumvent that...

Career ending is not 18 months, career ending is players losing confidence in you/clubs losing confidence in you, and that is on your actions not the RFL.