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The Rocket

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Bill Harrigan liked a contest and refereed as such. As Warren Ryan once said Bill always refereed with one eye on the scoreboard.

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graveyard johnny
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ALL AND EVERYONE OF  the refs who have ever taken charge of an amateur match -( adults or kids) for NOWT- and had to put up with the moronic flak from the touchline for their trouble 

RayCee
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The problem is the good ones you don't notice.

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Surprised noones mentioned Greg Mccallum.

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20 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

This is really a bone of contention with me not just internationals but for all games also, I was brought up with the time that refs had to be neutral and could not be from the town of any of the competing teams, wasn't the time when Wigan Twins the Connoly brothers top refs at the time but in Wigans Challenge cup run of victories neither of them every got a Wembley final for that very reason?

Your memory on the Connolly brothers and their appointments is correct.

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StandOffHalf

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1 hour ago, Sports Prophet said:

 

 

Eye of the beholder it is I guess. Whenever I watched him, I thought he was a terrible referee. Never sure of himself and I could regularly hear the cogs turning in his head as he would make an on the spot decision.

Fast tracked as an ex player and kept his NRL spot because he was a kiwi.

Harrigan and Klein are the stand outs although Klein has lost his lustre a touch the last couple of years. I liked Ganson in the SL.

Perenara wasn't full of himself. As an ex-player, he related to players. He was willing to look fallible, rather than calling abruptly and getting it wrong.

Ganson on the other hand laid himself on games and was a constant source of controversy.

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Perenara wasn't full of himself. As an ex-player, he related to players. He was willing to look fallible, rather than calling abruptly and getting it wrong.

Ganson on the other hand laid himself on games and was a constant source of controversy.

Won’t argue with any of that.

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24 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

Bill Harrigan liked a contest and refereed as such. As Warren Ryan once said Bill always refereed with one eye on the scoreboard.

If that is true, it is terrible.  The referee should not try and deliberately influence the outcome of the game. 

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Snowys Backside

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I was a big fan of the Connelly Brothers. Both were good Refs, but as already mentioned, John Holdsworth took some beating followed by Russell Smith.

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creditwhereitsdews

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Alain Sablayrolles of France. He used to get Ashes matches back when the sport was respectable enough to have neutral refs and although he couldn't speak English he'd make up for it with his theatrical gestures.

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Holdsworth , Smith and Thaler for me

 

As Harry touched upon , in the early days (Holdsworth and Smith) you had to be neutral and so we never got to see either of them at Cas 

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Wigan Riversider

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5 hours ago, creditwhereitsdews said:

Alain Sablayrolles of France. He used to get Ashes matches back when the sport was respectable enough to have neutral refs and although he couldn't speak English he'd make up for it with his theatrical gestures.

Cost GB a win in the third test at Central Park Wigan in 1986.

Lindner(?) didn't play the ball and Lewis scored on the 7th tackle.

Granted it was decades ago.

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The Rocket

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On 22/11/2024 at 20:55, Dunbar said:

If that is true, it is terrible.  The referee should not try and deliberately influence the outcome of the game. 

They`ve made an art form of it in union and no one bats an eyelid. Admittedly union rules are somewhat more labyrinthian than League and easier for the refs to pluck them from anywhere but it`s not that difficult in League either if done subtly and one might say strategically.

 

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Snowys Backside

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18 hours ago, Wigan Riversider said:

Cost GB a win in the third test at Central Park Wigan in 1986.

Lindner(?) didn't play the ball and Lewis scored on the 7th tackle.

Granted it was decades ago.

Wasn’t that Julien Rascagneres ?

He was as bent as a nine bob note. We got pasted the first two tests but were amazing in that Game, especially Schofield. 

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Dunbar

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4 hours ago, The Rocket said:

They`ve made an art form of it in union and no one bats an eyelid. Admittedly union rules are somewhat more labyrinthian than League and easier for the refs to pluck them from anywhere but it`s not that difficult in League either if done subtly and one might say strategically.

 

There are very few things that would turn me away from our sport but a consensus endorsement of referees deliberately impacting the outcome of games is one of them.

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Wigan Riversider

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2 hours ago, Snowys Backside said:

Wasn’t that Julien Rascagneres ?

He was as bent as a nine bob note. We got pasted the first two tests but were amazing in that Game, especially Schofield. 

Yes you're right, quite correct...and I'm wrong as usual?!

Wiltshire Warrior Dragon

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I always admired Benjamin Casty for putting behind him the disgraceful attack to which he was subjected by some young thug who he had just sin-binned in a match in 2017. 

He returned to refereeing duties and was, I think, selected as a world cup referee.

Moe syszlak

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Don't like to slag off any referees as it is a ridiculously hard sport to officiate. But as a Warrington fan I can NEVER forgive Russel smith for his decision which means we still have to endure the always your year chant!!

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On 22/11/2024 at 20:38, Wigan Riversider said:

Cost GB a win in the third test at Central Park Wigan in 1986.

Lindner(?) didn't play the ball and Lewis scored on the 7th tackle.

Granted it was decades ago.

I still rant about Meninga/Gibson even now. Often to random victims in the street. Still...........

Seriously though, how different might international RL have been if...

 

 

 

 

 

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corvusxiii

corvusxiii

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On 23/11/2024 at 15:23, Dunbar said:

There are very few things that would turn me away from our sport but a consensus endorsement of referees deliberately impacting the outcome of games is one of them.

And rightly or wrongly, with or without prejudice, intentionally or not, they quite often do. This invisible ref is a wonderful thing but of course he's difficult to perceive. 

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Wigan Riversider

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18 hours ago, corvusxiii said:

I still rant about Meninga/Gibson even now. Often to random victims in the street. Still...........

Seriously though, how different might international RL have been if...

 

 

 

 

 

Then there was the Charnley/ Hall(?) try about a decade ago.

Australian video referee failed to find conclusive proof that the wrong decision made by the referee shouldn't be overturned, despite the fact that the try was scored.

Early merry Christmas wishes everyone.

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