Challenge Cup 2025

[Forever Trinity]

9 hours ago, Snowys Backside said:

With it being a cup game H it should be 25-30% of the Stadiums capacity. Leigh would quite easily take 3000 to Belle Vue

HKR brought about 1700 the maximum for away support isn't much more than that. If 3000 were available I would find it unlikely 3000 Leigh fans would make it to BV on a Friday night.

[Josef K]

HKR, Wire, Leigh, Catalans. 

[Gerrumonside ref]

Thought it was a great cup draw with some cracking match ups.

 

[Harry Stottle]

Seen that the Hull Derby is on Saturday BBC1 and Wire/Saints BBC2 Sunday any mention of Sportsman doing Wakey/Leigh on Friday?

[Barley Mow]

38 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Seen that the Hull Derby is on Saturday BBC1 and Wire/Saints BBC2 Sunday any mention of Sportsman doing Wakey/Leigh on Friday?

Apparently Sportsman don't have the rights to any Challenge Cup matches from this stage onwards.

[Snowys Backside]

15 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

Apparently Sportsman don't have the rights to any Challenge Cup matches from this stage onwards.

A shame that. Their coverage has been very good. 

[Gerrumonside ref]

It’s a pity all the ties can’t be televised at this stage 

[Dave T]

4 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

It’s a pity all the ties can’t be televised at this stage 

yeah - it does feel like that should be the demand at this stage - in an era where we are used to 6 live games per week on TV when the cup is down to 4 matches they should all be on. Personally, I think all games should have been on in the last round too.

[Old Frightful]

Ticketing info for the Hull derby has been publicised with this rather interesting line :

“All alcoholic and soft drinks will be decanted from bottles into cups in both the West Stand Upper section of the ground, and all areas housing Hull KR supporters.”

[Worzel]

Confirmed that Hull FC are breaching operational rules of the Challenge Cup and only giving Rovers 15% of the tickets rather than the regulated 30%. The stated reason given (safety) is of course a nonsense, despite the fact that Rovers are being diplomatic about it, as Hull FC could have given KR the rest of the East Stand and safely maintained segregation with no fans sat above opposing fans. It’s just that Hull are terrified of what 7,000 Rovers fans would do to any sense of home advantage. In a sense I get that, but it’s not in the spirit of the cup competition, otherwise why have those rules.

I trust that we will be now be being given the additional 10% of gate revenues that Hull are meant to be penalised for this, as set out in the same rules.

https://hullkr.co.uk/news/hull-kr-confirm-betfred-challenge-cup-quarter-final-allocation

Edited March 19 by Worzel

[Worzel]

7 minutes ago, Old Frightful said:

Ticketing info for the Hull derby has been publicised with this rather interesting line :

“All alcoholic and soft drinks will be decanted from bottles into cups in both the West Stand Upper section of the ground, and all areas housing Hull KR supporters.”

Yawn. You really need to get a new act around Derby time, you can be quite reasonable generally. 

[Harry Stottle]

3 hours ago, Barley Mow said:

Apparently Sportsman don't have the rights to any Challenge Cup matches from this stage onwards.

Radio it is then, can't be bothered traversing the Pennines for night games and getting home well after midnight.

[MZH]

19 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Confirmed that Hull FC are breaching operational rules of the Challenge Cup and only giving Rovers 15% of the tickets rather than the regulated 30%. The stated reason given (safety) is of course a nonsense, despite the fact that Rovers are being diplomatic about it, as Hull FC could have given KR the rest of the East Stand and safely maintained segregation with no fans sat above opposing fans. It’s just that Hull are terrified of what 7,000 Rovers fans would do to any sense of home advantage. In a sense I get that, but it’s not in the spirit of the cup competition, otherwise why have those rules.

I trust that we will be now be being given the additional 10% of gate revenues that Hull are meant to be penalised for this, as set out in the same rules.

https://hullkr.co.uk/news/hull-kr-confirm-betfred-challenge-cup-quarter-final-allocation

There's the home advantage issue, but also the issue of p*ssing off the season ticket holders who sit there all the time and want to buy a ticket in that area. I would have personally given you the West upper with an increased amount of stewards and done the drink decanting thing. Also could have sought solidarity with Hull KR by requesting that anyone identified throwing things be banned from Craven Park too. I'm pretty sure they would have agreed with that, no club wants idiots like that involved.

[Tommygilf]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

yeah - it does feel like that should be the demand at this stage - in an era where we are used to 6 live games per week on TV when the cup is down to 4 matches they should all be on. Personally, I think all games should have been on in the last round too.

We definitely have had it before, Sky used to get the 2 non BBC pics hence Sheffield vs London Broncos at the Don Valley coming to mind!

I think 4 games in each round isn't unfeasible, especially as so many clubs will pick different kick off times through choice anyway. 2 beeb, plus 2 Sportsman isn't a bad return. Its a shame Sky don't seem that over bothered.

Perhaps there is a concern about the impact on attendances. Bit of an old fashioned approach to me but not one that would surprise me from RLs decision making minds either.

[Tommygilf]

Just now, MZH said:

There's the home advantage issue, but also the issue of p*ssing off the season ticket holders who sit there all the time and want to buy a ticket in that area. I would have personally given you the West upper with an increased amount of stewards and done the drink decanting thing. Also could have sought solidarity with Hull KR by requesting that anyone identified throwing things be banned from Craven Park too. I'm pretty sure they would have agreed with that, no club wants idiots like that involved.

I think that idea has its merits, but even then, clubs (in football too) routinely have to change allocations for Cup games. A season ticket is for the league, people accept its different for the Cup which has different rules.

As much as "more and better stewarding" etc would be good, I think from an organisational POV just not having the issue in the first place would be better.

[Worzel]

17 minutes ago, MZH said:

There's the home advantage issue, but also the issue of p*ssing off the season ticket holders who sit there all the time and want to buy a ticket in that area. I would have personally given you the West upper with an increased amount of stewards and done the drink decanting thing. Also could have sought solidarity with Hull KR by requesting that anyone identified throwing things be banned from Craven Park too. I'm pretty sure they would have agreed with that, no club wants idiots like that involved.

We have rules for a reason, under the rules you’d still have 70%. How much home advantage does Hull FC need? Season tickets don’t include cup games, I’m sure they’d get over it.

Just a cynical move. I understand why, we’d sell the whole 7,000 and we all know what impact they’d have. But still a cynical move. 

Hey ho. I’ll just buy another box and spray you all with champagne instead

[Faithful1865]

13 minutes ago, Worzel said:

We have rules for a reason, under the rules you’d still have 70%. How much home advantage does Hull FC need? Season tickets don’t include cup games, I’m sure they’d get over it.

Just a cynical move. I understand why, we’d sell the whole 7,000 and we all know what impact they’d have. But still a cynical move. 

Hey ho. I’ll just buy another box and spray you all with champagne instead

Just a better class hooligan then?

[Tommygilf]

Have they announced any semi final venues yet?

I could see Headingley (for the Hull game winner) and perhaps Salford, Leigh or Warrington being used. 

That said if it was a Hull team vs Catalans, could they just use the other stadium in town?

[jacksy]

The decision, as i read it, has been made by the SMC and Hull City Council Safety team. 

So how is that our fault?

I'm of the opinion that they should allow it and put in place more stewards and the aforementioned drinks rule.

Are they going to pull the safety card forever?

Edited March 19 by jacksy

[up the robins]

26 minutes ago, jacksy said:

The decision, as i read it, has been made by the SMC and Hull City Council Safety team. 

So how is that our fault?

The SMC have no interest in the success of the rugby club. Hull city would never allow this with there club. 

The police are not fit for purpose and oppose everything these days that would even pose the slightest risk.  

The thing these two have in common is they are not affected in the slightest by loss of income or the success of FC, this is a great opportunity for fc to showcase themselves to potential new sponsors and fans on prime time bbc1 and there is no better then a full bouncing stadium.

FC could even have said to HKR that any increase in allocation comes with a condition that HKR pay for extra stewards.

 

[jacksy]

Just now, up the robins said:

The SMC have no interest in the success of the rugby club. Hull city would never allow this with there club. 

The police are not fit for purpose and oppose everything these days that would even pose the slightest risk.  

The thing these two have in common is they are not affected in the slightest by loss of income or the success of FC, this is a great opportunity for fc to showcase themselves to potential new sponsors and fans on prime time bbc1 and there is no better then a full bouncing stadium.

FC could even have said to HKR that any increase in allocation comes with a condition that HKR pay for extra stewards.

 

I agree with you but ultimately they have the last say. 

It would be amazing to have 25k in with 7k KR. But its not happening and to be honest i don't know when they are going to stop playing the safety card.

And to be fair they're are morons in both camps that may just spoil it for the many.

 

Edited March 19 by jacksy

[up the robins]

7 minutes ago, jacksy said:

I agree with you but ultimately they have the last say. 

It would be amazing to have 25k in with 7k KR. But its not happening and to be honest i don't know when they are going to stop playing the safety card.

 

I honestly believe the stadium management (football club) want you out and will continue to be awkward. 

[up the robins]

10 minutes ago, jacksy said:

I agree with you but ultimately they have the last say. 

It would be amazing to have 25k in with 7k KR. But its not happening and to be honest i don't know when they are going to stop playing the safety card.

And to be fair they're are morons in both camps that may just spoil it for the many.

 

I agree there are morons in all sports clubs fans and we certainly have a few, but compared to football troubles in rugby are absolutely tiny and find it hard to believe the police and smc would be so against if it was a football game.

[jacksy]

Just now, up the robins said:

I honestly believe the stadium management (football club) want you out and will continue to be awkward. 

Who knows, but i doubt they want us to be too successful.

FC & KR draw city fans away when we are doing well.

Plus i doubt they want to lose the stadium attendance record to RL.

But i might just be a conspiracy theorist.

[jacksy]

Just now, up the robins said:

I agree there are morons in all sports clubs fans and we certainly have a few, but compared to football troubles in rugby are absolutely tiny and find it hard to believe the police and smc would be so against if it was a football game.

I can't work it out in all honesty. Are they going to keep using incidents from years ago for forevermore.

Once more the genuine fans lose out.

Edited March 19 by jacksy