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Well... after 66 days in ICU my sister's fella who was described as being as near to death as can be without dying.... has made it. He's home. Half the fella he was.... and the virus has ravaged his l

I'm not putting up with this goading of a volunteer moderator who does a sterling job on my behalf generally on here, but especially recently when I was ill for almost a month with what might well hav

Well my sister's fella is making very small steps in the right direction. From being described as as near to death without being dead, he's now sat up, off dialysis and yesterday was breathing on

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8 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

My young just phoned me. I believe he will have had bbc parliament on

The Corona Virus Bill is having it's second (and probably third) reading in the House of Commons today, assuming it is passed it would give the Government the powers to order a lockdown, but it's not the same as actually doing it. 

I'd welcome it if they did mind. I work with a number of epidemiological experts that will not stop coming in until ordered to by the "over reacting knee jerk" government. 

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2 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Because sport has been cancelled in Europe, Sky have a lot of time to fill, but glancing through the schedules, there doesn't seem to be much Rugby League, despite Sky's back catalogue.

As i put in the "virtual pub" forum thread - now would be a great time if people know of links to youtube or the like footage of lower level clubs - post them up, us southern poofters who dont get to see as much live can do so and the heartlanders may see some footage of clubs/players outside the area they dont usually see

Would be a great way to watch games a lot of us wont know the result of - i mean there is a limit to the number of times you can watch the same SL match over and over and enjoy it because that same player still keeps making the stupid 50/50 offload or knocking on that simple pass (you think they would learn)

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1 hour ago, fairfolly said:

Bob8, 

          Absolutely correct, it is no use asking people to do this,do that.To many people these days think they can do what they want and can not think for themselves. Lockdown is the only way forward.

yes, a)timing is important as if want it on for a length of time, hence I am fine with the Medical experts guiding as and when needed... plus b)its evident in my opinion that the government is conditioning people to expect it, that is to ensure maximum acceptance.

Given that with a free press and democracy ignoring the  political points scoring as to which ever way the decision goes and as to timing... acceptance of harsh measures are key.  

I have no doubt that whatever decision and timing their will always be large numbers of people, commentators and journalist always ready to question say in this instance stricter restrictions.

You know its coming and this applies to any political party in power when the opposition aware of the whispers in Whitehall come out prior to a decision to say its time for this and that... in this case Labour (would be same if opposition was conservative) saying its time for more restrictions. Then it can look as if its their pressure causing a change.   As distinct from whatever government taking the advise of SAGE/CMO/CSO as to when the best moment for max effect and sustainability... etc...

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1 hour ago, fevtom said:

Some are closing by their own decision now. I believe the biggest clothes shops such as Primark and H&M decided to close even though they aren't required to yet. Restaurants that were still being allowed to remain open for take away such as McDonalds and many coffee shops are now closing through their own choice too.

It does seem like some businesses are in front of the government here. Even from the start when the government announced sports events would still go ahead it was only a few hours later the Premier League announced their postponements. Some school were already being forced to shut through lack of staff before the government told them to close.

From what I've seen we don't seem to be social distancing as much as other European countries. It's interesting what you say about the kids in Spain. There's a park near me and it was busier than ever with kids over the weekend and some of our national parks saw record levels of visitors.

They aren't 'in front' of the government!  They are responding to customers disappearing and also to the heightened awareness of their employee and customer safety.  I go into a Costa every morning on the way to work.  Last week they'd shoved all the tables to the edges, closed off the remaining café area and were just serving take aways.  But up to that point, for about a week, there'd hardly been a soul in the seated areas anyway and the queue for take aways was way down on normal but then in their local area only my office, pretty much, is still working.  The Pret nearby closed over a week ago.  The number of punters just fell through the floor and so there is no point in opening.  Nothing to do with being ahead of the government.

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This just in from a guy I know, educated and apparently intelligent, who passed this on to seven of us and resented my comment that it was a fake. I've since debunked it through various fact checking organisations

At The Princess of Wales hospital. NHS staff have been sent this:

This is the advice given to hospital staff.
It explains the virus and hopefully, how to prevent getting it.
Please share with family, friends and work colleagues.

Virus Detection:

The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.

Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.


Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.

Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.

For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes nearby, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: mobile phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc ....

Sent in to us just now and we wanted to share this knowledge & advice with you all.

Please do the same and take care!
 
 
 
 
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3 hours ago, Saintslass said:

They aren't 'in front' of the government!  They are responding to customers disappearing and also to the heightened awareness of their employee and customer safety.  I go into a Costa every morning on the way to work.  Last week they'd shoved all the tables to the edges, closed off the remaining café area and were just serving take aways.  But up to that point, for about a week, there'd hardly been a soul in the seated areas anyway and the queue for take aways was way down on normal but then in their local area only my office, pretty much, is still working.  The Pret nearby closed over a week ago.  The number of punters just fell through the floor and so there is no point in opening.  Nothing to do with being ahead of the government.

Agreed - it was across the board, I'm a regular user of Starbucks and McDonalds as temporary office space between appointments, business has been dropping off for weeks, both were empty last week.

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27 minutes ago, JohnM said:

This just in from a guy I know, educated and apparently intelligent, who passed this on to seven of us and resented my comment that it was a fake. I've since debunked it through various fact checking organisations

At The Princess of Wales hospital. NHS staff have been sent this:

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Good grief, indeed.

All the hallmarks of a fake, the allusion to authority that is untraceable and somehow passed on through friends rather than an official statement.

You will not win friends! There are plenty who think the authoritites and biopharma companies wasted a fortune on consultantes when they could just have asked Facebook or a rugby league forum.

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52 minutes ago, JohnM said:

This just in from a guy I know, educated and apparently intelligent, who passed this on to seven of us and resented my comment that it was a fake. I've since debunked it through various fact checking organisations

 
 
 
 
I did exactly the same last night with the same idiot message. Hydrogen Peroxide can kill you if ingested and has done as people have been trying to use it to whiten their teeth. The BMA put out a warning about it a little while ago after several deaths through ingestion.
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After a bit od discussion, I cheered him up with this. 

Heard a Doctor on TV say to get through the bordom of self isolation we should finish things we start and thus have more calm in our lives. 

So I looked through the house to  find all the things i've started but hadn't finished...so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. 

Sned this to all who need inner ######. An telum u luvum. ???

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It was expected but it's still a gutpunch.

Mrs Ginger received the text from the NHS about twenty minutes ago. An extra vulnerable adult. Stay inside for 12 weeks. Nobody in the house is to go within 3 steps of you. A few other things.

I am now drinking a very large glass of wine and Mrs Ginger is watching Mallory Towers. We all cope in our own different ways.

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3 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It was expected but it's still a gutpunch.

Mrs Ginger received the text from the NHS about twenty minutes ago. An extra vulnerable adult. Stay inside for 12 weeks. Nobody in the house is to go within 3 steps of you. A few other things.

I am now drinking a very large glass of wine and Mrs Ginger is watching Mallory Towers. We all cope in our own different ways.

Expect the army round with your parcel or provisions. Hope you all come through this well and unscathed. 

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4 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Expect the army round with your parcel or provisions. Hope you all come through this well and unscathed. 

Those provisions better include my bodyweight in red wine. I'm not going through this sober.

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I should add that we are very lucky in some ways. Mrs Ginger can be the madwoman in the attic and essentially live in our nice new roof extension without coming into contact with anyone else. We also have a decent garden so going completely potty indoors won't happen. We are a lot better placed than most other people who receive this text will be.

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The current scare story is about how NHS people are being mugged for their IDs at knifepoint. I've seen six versions so far "my mate's mate said"

FFS...

The police asked this morning on Twitter for people with any evidence they were real to come forward because they'd had no reports at all.

Just f***ing stop it. And stop f***ing sharing it!

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1 minute ago, ckn said:

The current scare story is about how NHS people are being mugged for their IDs at knifepoint. I've seen six versions so far "my mate's mate said"

FFS...

The police asked this morning on Twitter for people with any evidence they were real to come forward because they'd had no reports at all.

Just f***ing stop it. And stop f***ing sharing it!

It's the same as the scare stories that do the rounds about letters with razor blades in and the like. Nobody ever knows someone it actually happened to.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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