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Mr Frisky

Mr Frisky

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I agree to a point- if hes fit and the best in his position play him and win the Ashes.

Win what's first then worry about the WC next season as players you think will be around in 2021 may lose form or get injured before the WC.

Clogiron

Clogiron

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Great, that's how to beat the Aussies let's have him Graham, Roby, Ellis, Hall, maybe Benny Westwood, Matty Smith and of course Maclorum and Tomkins. Bet there quaking in their boots?

Dunbar

Dunbar

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I have a plan.

If O'Loughlin is the best player available in his position then pick him. If he isn't, don't pick him.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dunbar

Dunbar

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9 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

I am slightly worried the Ashes squad is going to turn into a farewell tour for more than just O'Loughlin. 

You would hope that Shaun Wane would realise that results matter and the next two years could make him a national hero (in Rugby League terms) if he gets the results.

Surely he won't pick the team for sentimental reasons!

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

hunsletgreenandgold

hunsletgreenandgold

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12 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

You would hope that Shaun Wane would realise that results matter and the next two years could make him a national hero (in Rugby League terms) if he gets the results.

Surely he won't pick the team for sentimental reasons!

I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. 

Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 hour ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. 

I was just about to type the same thing.

If I had to choose success in one of the two for England I would go for the World Cup as it will be better for the sport overall but if I had to choose for me personally I would probably go for an Ashes win.... it has been the most important Rugby League for me personally for 35 years.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Harry Stottle

Harry Stottle

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6 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said:

I think Wane knows his ultimate success will be based on how we perform at the next world cup. The Ashes series will IMO be used to analyse where we're still falling short against the Aussies and build from there - I don't think there will be much blooding of youth. Which leads me to think maybe not for sentimental reasons, but the term 'experienced players' could still be the buzz word. I like Wane as a coach but I just think he'll play it safe with many of his selections for the Ashes based on past endeavours rather than form at the time. I hope I'm wrong because the Ashes mean as much if not more in my mind than the world cup does. 

Bit of a contradiction Hunslet, how will he analyse the team if he plays people not expected to play the following year.

my missus

my missus

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waney won't hold back its not his way he will do whatever it takes to win every game he is inolved with.

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Lowdesert

Lowdesert

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4 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I have a plan.

If O'Loughlin is the best player available in his position then pick him. If he isn't, don't pick him.

Yes, I think that’s the kindest way of putting it.

Wane will do the business though, I’m sure.

Tonka

Tonka

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

I was just about to type the same thing.

If I had to choose success in one of the two for England I would go for the World Cup as it will be better for the sport overall but if I had to choose for me personally I would probably go for an Ashes win.... it has been the most important Rugby League for me personally for 35 years.

I have to say I’m sick of building, planning for the next tournament and the wins always being round the corner.  We’ve been doing that for the entire time I’ve watched the sport (27 years).  Meantime Australia have slapped us all up and down the place from friendlies to World Cups.  We should just plan to smash the beggars now, with the team we’ve got, the next time they’re in town.

hunsletgreenandgold

hunsletgreenandgold

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2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Bit of a contradiction Hunslet, how will he analyse the team if he plays people not expected to play the following year.

I guess I meant more as a team in general rather than where individual players are falling short. 

Chris Taylor

Chris Taylor

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Depends on the squad and if he's going for a younger team. 

If the above is the case, I would take him to help the next generation come through. Experience around training, and non match day activity can make a difference. 

Who else would you pick at 13?

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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33 minutes ago, Chris Taylor said:

Who else would you pick at 13?

It's very early days and lots could happen with form and availability but I think we have enough front row options to play Luke Thompson at 13 and have three big middle forwards on the park at all times.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Davo5

Davo5

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2 hours ago, Chris Taylor said:

 

Who else would you pick at 13?

Someone who has a chance of being fit for 3 tests.

That probably rules out Stevie Ward as well.

graveyard johnny

graveyard johnny

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was never a great player in his prime, dedicated and charismatic but mediocre even in his 20s - the only way he should get to wear an England shirt in the ashes is if he orders one off line

I know Bono and he knows Ono and she knows Enos phone goes thus 

Mr Plow

Mr Plow

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I dont think we should be sentimental with players. We should be planning for the WC. Winning the Ashes this year with players who will be available next year would be the best outcome

Damien

Damien

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5 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

was never a great player in his prime, dedicated and charismatic but mediocre even in his 20s - the only way he should get to wear an England shirt in the ashes is if he orders one off line

Mediocre? Give your head a shake.

graveyard johnny

graveyard johnny

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15 minutes ago, Damien said:

Mediocre? Give your head a shake.

ok in the post wigan grip days but never a great

 

I know Bono and he knows Ono and she knows Enos phone goes thus 

wackojacko

wackojacko

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Sadly have to concur that he's past it now, was a fantastic 13, possibly one of the last great ball-playing loose-forwards but unless we see a remarkable turn-around in form this year then I don't think he's shown that he's up to it over the past couple of seasons.

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