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1 hour ago, Hela Wigmen said:

Ouch. 

Ouch indeed!  It goes to show how unsustainable Eric Pérez's idea of teams in North America playing in the British RL structure is.

frank

frank

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6 hours ago, silverback said:

Did we learn anything,?

Yes! We learned that the majority of SL clubs are only interested in themselves. This situation may never have developed if  the WP had not been deprived of their share of TV money. That being the case SL is mainly responsible for that fiasco.

gingerjon

gingerjon

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10 hours ago, Total Rugby League said:

Exclusive: A Canadian company owed more than £170,000 by Toronto Wolfpack has taken aim at the defunct club and the leadership of the RFL and...

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"... Even though the business of the Wolfpack continues to be active ..."

Curiouser and curiouser ...

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

Man of Kent

Man of Kent

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1 hour ago, frank said:

Yes! We learned that the majority of SL clubs are only interested in themselves. This situation may never have developed if  the WP had not been deprived of their share of TV money. That being the case SL is mainly responsible for that fiasco.

 

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silverback

silverback

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2 hours ago, frank said:

Yes! We learned that the majority of SL clubs are only interested in themselves. This situation may never have developed if  the WP had not been deprived of their share of TV money. That being the case SL is mainly responsible for that fiasco.

i thought they asked to not have any $$$£$  help to get in the door so hardly deprived,because of the sponser/owner/backer with lots of dosh,and as probably done damage to other clubs needing backing/sponsership if they then get stiffed for bundles of £$ with unpaid wages and bills.

Davo5

Davo5

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8 hours ago, Gooleboy said:

Surely nobody is surprised at this.

What, a professional rugby league club owing money,surely this is a first 😂

Lowdesert

Lowdesert

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8 hours ago, silverback said:

Did we learn anything,?

I would ask the question of governing body financial audits on TWP.  Seems so obvious that a ‘central office’ does scheduled audits to check whether that business is continually operationally viable by identify these outstanding unpaid bills or any owed monies.  This might have happened, I don’t know, but I seriously doubt it.

Notwithstanding the Argyle failings the RFL ‘soft touch’ approach is a cop out imo.  All these businesses (clubs) impact on each other at some time or other.

Gooleboy

Gooleboy

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57 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

What, a professional rugby league club owing money,surely this is a first 😂

Of course it's not a first and won't be the last, but I am glad it isn't me who is owed the money by them. 

jroyales

jroyales

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It's interesting to note all the hoops that Leigh had to jump through before being allowed into sooperdooperleeg whilst

the crazy idea of Canadian teams, and possibly American teams can get in via the back door.

Rupert Prince

Rupert Prince

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9 hours ago, silverback said:

Did we learn anything,?

Yes.  The Wolfpack/Argyle "lied" to the RFL/ SL.  It's clear that they were avoiding paying suppliers as far back as 2018.

We learn that Argyle is clearly nowhere near being a "billionaire" ... that is just smoke and mirrors. 

We learn the no proper due process was carried out to allow the Wolfpack into the RLF system.   

We learn that even if Argyle's heart was (maybe) in the right place, his money wasn't.

As ever, and time and again commentators will not listen, what the RL need is investment.  Real money.

Rupert Prince

Rupert Prince

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2 minutes ago, jroyales said:

It's interesting to note all the hoops that Leigh had to jump through before being allowed into sooperdooperleeg whilst

the crazy idea of Canadian teams, and possibly American teams can get in via the back door.

Where are teams being let in by the SL "back door"?   Where are they?   In fact the SL showed TWP the door and slam it shut on the way out.  Leigh where let in by the Butler by the front door.

ATLANTISMAN

ATLANTISMAN

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Its not good though to wash your laundry in public, its very unprofessional no-one wants to see companies losing money and not being paid however going public on this is not the way to do it.

I know of one organisation that lost around 250K in investment due to the TR and they havant said a word just carried on.

 

 

 

 

Damien

Damien

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36 minutes ago, jroyales said:

It's interesting to note all the hoops that Leigh had to jump through before being allowed into sooperdooperleeg whilst

the crazy idea of Canadian teams, and possibly American teams can get in via the back door.

That's not what happened though is it?

Dave T

Dave T

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12 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Its not good though to wash your laundry in public, its very unprofessional no-one wants to see companies losing money and not being paid however going public on this is not the way to do it.

I know of one organisation that lost around 250K in investment due to the TR and they havant said a word just carried on.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that is where criticism should be aimed mate.

Dave T

Dave T

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1 hour ago, Lowdesert said:

I would ask the question of governing body financial audits on TWP.  Seems so obvious that a ‘central office’ does scheduled audits to check whether that business is continually operationally viable by identify these outstanding unpaid bills or any owed monies.  This might have happened, I don’t know, but I seriously doubt it.

Notwithstanding the Argyle failings the RFL ‘soft touch’ approach is a cop out imo.  All these businesses (clubs) impact on each other at some time or other.

That does sound like a full time role though - pretty much managing limited companies budgets.

I'm not sure that should be the case tbh, I think very harsh punishments for poor financial management is probably the best route. 

Kayakman

Kayakman

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Once this is all settled (post Covid) Toronto will be back in;  I'm sure of it! (+well sort of sure)

Hela Wigmen

Hela Wigmen

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Just now, Kayakman said:

Once this is all settled (post Covid) Toronto will be back jn;  I'm sure of it! (+well sort of sure)

What makes you think that, out of interest? Is their rumblings of a revival or is it blind faith?

Eddie

Eddie

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1 hour ago, jroyales said:

It's interesting to note all the hoops that Leigh had to jump through before being allowed into sooperdooperleeg whilst

the crazy idea of Canadian teams, and possibly American teams can get in via the back door.

Do you mean TWP getting in via the back door of winning promotion on the pitch, while Leigh had to go through the hoops of submitting an application form?

Omott91

Omott91

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1 hour ago, jroyales said:

It's interesting to note all the hoops that Leigh had to jump through before being allowed into sooperdooperleeg whilst

the crazy idea of Canadian teams, and possibly American teams can get in via the back door.

By earning promotion on the field? I must have missed the part when Leigh did that. 

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