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Fair points Boy. I used the measuring device on Google Earth and included only the land that could be used to build the stands and the pitch of course. In terms of developing the Stands, I purposely did not count the car parks/etc .

We can both agree that each club will hopefully try and squeeze in what is needed and as long as its modern and safe.,

I am optimistic on this score.

As for ownership, currently Salford council own the land at Moor Lane, Salford City FC own and run the facilities. A peppercorn rent is paid.

The current discussions are to¬

Discuss the terms of the sale of the AJ Bell stadium owners Peel and Salford council to a new stadium company (owned by Sale Sharks and Salford City FC).

Negotiate the transfer of the facilities at Moor Lane from Salford City to Salford council.

Agree the ending of SRD contract at the AJ Bell.

And set the terms of using Moor Lane. All options being considered. What is mainly cordial is SRD will run Moor Lane. 

The presumption is SRD will seek to expand the ground to 8000. Going off other examples that would be costed by revenue increases. Industrial loans, community shares and/or bonds, supporters fund.and government grants .

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

I find it bizarre when fans believe the local authority (council tax payers) should pay for their stadium upgrades, you get a similar attitude with Wakefield and Castleford fans as well as at Salford. They are basically asking for their neighbours to subsidise their hobby of watching Rugby League.

I find it weird that this country is so against using public funds to upgrade sporting facilities or to provide community infrastructure to a sporting club that has been in the community for 130 years. We have always been so behind in this respect compared to other developed countries.

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21 hours ago, dboy said:

Square metre footprints, measured on Digimap (University of Edinburgh Ordnance Survey mapping tool).

Moor Lane = 17916

Cas = 31936

Wakefield = 29139

Love this, this is exactly the sort of stuff I come here for. 

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I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks.

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16 hours ago, voteronniegibbs said:

Whoop whoop, we've won something again at last 🙂

Think of it like Monopoly land though - Salford is brown and Wakefield is blue.

Cas = go directly to jail.

Leigh isn't in the game, as it doesn't have a railway station.

😉

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7 hours ago, Mattrhino said:

I find it weird that this country is so against using public funds to upgrade sporting facilities or to provide community infrastructure to a sporting club that has been in the community for 130 years. We have always been so behind in this respect compared to other developed countries.

YES we are compared to lets say France, and it works well until some loony council orders you to move in with your arch rivals (Union) 

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I had a drink today with a guy who knew the shanty town that was The Willows, he said, & I quote from my notes, the North Stand should've been made all seater, but the yobs disagreed, the shed, Weaste Road side could be demolished, and a new stand & changing rooms, and spectacular Eastern Stand, from Willows Road to join North Stand could be built, without inflicting on residents light, while changing rooms would be one season in a portacabin, then destroy the Kennedy Road Stand, and build a two tier, low tier Stand, 10 meters forward, and leave the Variety club end for 5 more years, as it was the only place you could get a beer, it wasn't making any money, so demolish & build a new covered Stand. There were no houses overlooking to complain about Planning Regs.

A huge 4 sided stadium, would've looked lovely according to Hags.

From the top of the Nirth Stand he said you could see Wales.

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It wouldn't have been that easy. The ground was small, the pitch wasn't 100m long. There are houses down the shed side, so not sure a 2 tier stand would have been possible, just as it isn't at Headingley. The North Stand seats weren't used that much so don't understand why you would want to create more. 

I believe John Wilkinson looked at the costs of a revamp and the cost was prohibitive. If the original scheme hasn't been called in and delayed by a couple of years then Salford RLFC would have owned the stadium and the revenue. The delay meant the scheme never happened.

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On 31/12/2021 at 10:59, Mattrhino said:

I find it weird that this country is so against using public funds to upgrade sporting facilities or to provide community infrastructure to a sporting club that has been in the community for 130 years. We have always been so behind in this respect compared to other developed countries.

Don't disagree in general but which sports should have the privilege.  Especially not if a its only a minimal percentage of the councils population that supports whatever that sport is.

Of course use public funds to upgrade sporting facilities but I question use of such for a professional club. Especially if those facilities are not open to the general public to use for sport playing every day.

 

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So SCFC will move to the AJ Bell stadium in August 2023.

The questions it raises.

!. Will SRD remain at the AJ Bell Stadium?

2. If no, where to?

3. If the answer is Moor Lane, then-

a. Do SRD vacate the AJ Bell in August or September 23?#

b. In the 18-24 months before the SRD move, how much can the club "re-build" Moor Lane.

Not much time to raise funds, plan, get permission, build and H and S check it..

The fortunate thing is those Meccano stands at Moor Lane are easy to dismantle, extend and build.

4. Or will SRD not move till the end of 2024?

5. Given the swiftness of the possible move, will the RFL/Salford Council do the sensible thing and support the transfer?

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5 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

So SCFC will move to the AJ Bell stadium in August 2023.

The questions it raises.

!. Will SRD remain at the AJ Bell Stadium?

2. If no, where to?

3. If the answer is Moor Lane, then-

a. Do SRD vacate the AJ Bell in August or September 23?#

b. In the 18-24 months before the SRD move, how much can the club "re-build" Moor Lane.

Not much time to raise funds, plan, get permission, build and H and S check it..

The fortunate thing is those Meccano stands at Moor Lane are easy to dismantle, extend and build.

4. Given the swiftness of the possible move, will the RFL/Salford Council do the sensible thing and support the move?

If Salford FC move out of Moor lane you would expect Red Devils would finish 23 season at AJ Bell and have from June till Feb to get the ground up to scratch. 

Staying up next two seasons feels important from a profile perspective to have council or political support.  

If the facility becomes something that can be used all year round it will be a massive boost for what Salford can do. 

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So I gather that Salford City FC will not be moving to the AJ Bell this year but have put it back another year?

 And we assume that Salford Red Devil’s will not be moving to Moor Lane at the end of this season?

So I wonder what will happen to Moor Lane from May 2023 when SCFC season will end until Feb 2024 when in theory Salford Red Devil’s would start to play there in their new era?7 months as near as damn it the stadium will not be used?

 And I wonder if Moor Lane will be made bigger to comply with Super League minimum requirements?

Or I wonder if Salford City FC are going to have 2 RL clubs play there namely Salford Red Devil’s and Swinton Lions from 2024?

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17 hours ago, Robthegasman said:

So I gather that Salford City FC will not be moving to the AJ Bell this year but have put it back another year?

 And we assume that Salford Red Devil’s will not be moving to Moor Lane at the end of this season?

So I wonder what will happen to Moor Lane from May 2023 when SCFC season will end until Feb 2024 when in theory Salford Red Devil’s would start to play there in their new era?7 months as near as damn it the stadium will not be used?

 And I wonder if Moor Lane will be made bigger to comply with Super League minimum requirements?

Or I wonder if Salford City FC are going to have 2 RL clubs play there namely Salford Red Devil’s and Swinton Lions from 2024?

My post above asks similar questions.

Well Rob I assume if you have a spanner in hand and you loiter around Moor Lane from May 2023 you may find yourself dismantling and erecting the Meccano style stands at the ground.

SRD's last words were about seeing if they could build above the existing stands as an extension.  And that the first few rows would be gutted due to the higher SL advertising boards. 

You could enlarge the flat pack Ikeaesque stands on the west, south and east side up to 5,000 and a new main stand might add another 3,000 plus. 

It took about a year for SCFC to literally erect the new stands and cost about £5m for the 5,100 capacity. 

I personally doubt Swinton will move in. Previous discussion on the internet by the "west Mancunians" said they didn't have a good experience at Moor Lane and seem established at Sale - developing RL on that side of "town." They have been getting crowds of a 1000 which is a good base.

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8 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

My post above asks similar questions.

Well Rob I assume if you have a spanner in hand and you loiter around Moor Lane from May 2023 you may find yourself dismantling and erecting the Meccano style stands at the ground.

SRD's last words were about seeing if they could build above the existing stands as an extension.  And that the first few rows would be gutted due to the higher SL advertising boards. 

You could enlarge the flat pack Ikeaesque stands on the west, south and east side up to 5,000 and a new main stand might add another 3,000 plus. 

It took about a year for SCFC to literally erect the new stands and cost about £5m for the 5,100 capacity. 

I personally doubt Swinton will move in. Previous discussion on the internet by the "west Mancunians" said they didn't have a good experience at Moor Lane and seem established at Sale - developing RL on that side of "town." They have been getting crowds of a 1000 which is a good base.

I still don´t know why they just don´t call themselves Sale RL and accept that if they don´t want to move in with Salford they have basically accepted they are never going to be home. 

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4 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

I still don´t know why they just don´t call themselves Sale RL and accept that if they don´t want to move in with Salford they have basically accepted they are never going to be home. 

You are right that they will never return home.It doesn’t take 30 years nearly to build a small 5000-6000 capacity stadium.

So why hasn’t this happened for them?

Indeed a much bigger stadium,The Emirates took about 6 or so years from initial planning to it being approved by Islington Council,built and opened.

And why was that?

 And if Manchester United(my football team)decide to build a new stadium next to the existing one,that too would be planned,approved(which Trafford Council would do)built and opened well within 8 years.

Again why?

Why? 

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1 hour ago, Robthegasman said:

You are right that they will never return home.It doesn’t take 30 years nearly to build a small 5000-6000 capacity stadium.

So why hasn’t this happened for them?

Indeed a much bigger stadium,The Emirates took about 6 or so years from initial planning to it being approved by Islington Council,built and opened.

And why was that?

 And if Manchester United(my football team)decide to build a new stadium next to the existing one,that too would be planned,approved(which Trafford Council would do)built and opened well within 8 years.

Again why?

Why? 

I think this is a bad attempt at sarcasm but we all know why. Point is that it has now been almost two generations and if they don´t move with Salford then they have conceeded their is no intention of going back. I´d have thought adopting the identity of where you are now would give them the best chance to grow. 

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12 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

I think this is a bad attempt at sarcasm but we all know why. Point is that it has now been almost two generations and if they don´t move with Salford then they have conceeded their is no intention of going back. I´d have thought adopting the identity of where you are now would give them the best chance to grow. 

It wasn’t really sarcasm tbh with you,it may have sounded that way but was not sarcasm.

The reason is money.

To build The Emirates or a New Old Trafford stadium(I think that is the best option for United)the figures add up. And the lenders ie the banks would be desperate for the business as they simply cannot lose.

Whereas a 5000 plus capacity stadium for either Salford or Swinton,despite it being far cheaper it just wouldn’t be feasible financially in a worse case scenario.

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