Salford to move to Moor Lane?

[sweaty craiq]

20 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

What’s more depressing in here is the reference to not being able to sell 1,000 season tickets…. Really?

Sounds like HKR early 2000's who could barely scrape 1000 fans in total to watch. Glass houses pal.

[Tommygilf]

18 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Sounds like HKR early 2000's who could barely scrape 1000 fans in total to watch. Glass houses pal.

That was 20 years ago and Hull KR weren't in the top flight and hadn't been a club in the Super League (with all the advantages of that) for all but 1 year in 15, unlike Salford.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Tommygilf

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:

Sounds like HKR early 2000's who could barely scrape 1000 fans in total to watch. Glass houses pal.

Did Hull KR’s attendances really go down to 1,000? 

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

2 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Sounds like HKR early 2000's who could barely scrape 1000 fans in total to watch. Glass houses pal.

Yeah great benchmark… sorry, just to clarify, was that when we’d been in SuperLeague for most of the prior 25 years like Salford have now? 
 

[….waits patiently for honest response…]
 

Mate, my original comment was from genuine concern and empathy, not snide points-scoring “my clubs better than your club” mindless nonsense, so wind your neck in. 

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Did Hull KR’s attendances really go down to 1,000? 

Nope, although I remember a game against Barrow when it didn’t look far off. A club going bust in the 2nd and 3rd division having not been in SL is hardly a comparison to a recent Grand Finalist with 25 years’ Sky TV money though is it…. 

[steve oates]

On 25/11/2021 at 08:01, Yakstorm said:

2020 could have been a big year for Salford in terms of growing their base. The 2019 GF appearance followed up by making it to Wembley the following year would have seen some sort of uplift in any other scenario. 

It's a shame that the momentum has since gone.

Well didn't the big two seasons Salford had, include and benefit greatly from the talents of Jackson Hastings and Ian Watson????

Didn't Wigan offer the excellent on field leader Hastings more money to go there and didn't Ian Watson also get poached as well by Huddersfield for more money? 

Corrections and other people's thoughts most welcome but as hard as Salford have tried they have been victims of richer clubs being able to cherry pick them. I feel sorry for Salford, and I feel they have done great things without just chucking money about, but in the end the ££££££££'s talk.

Those old enough will recall it can work both ways. Rich Salford  owner Brian Snape spent plenty on Unions finest  especially David Watkins, and Leagues finest taking Steve Nash from Featherstone...

Salford's "momentum" was powered by Watson and Hastings......

The "momentum" may now turn to Koukash and Beaumont, and that's just how these things go............ 

 

[idrewthehaggis]

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by idrewthehaggis

[David Dockhouse Host]

10 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

 

Good post, some good points raised. 

I'm not sure I would push so much of the blame towards the RFL for potential failure. It seems we blame them when clubs fail but we don't praise them for success. It's no more RFLs fault when SRD struggle than it is their brilliance when Saints succeed IMO.

Clubs need to take responsibility rather than deflect blame, I believe a more responsible mindset would aid clubs rather than looking elsewhere for help, handouts etc. Imo that's exactly what SRD are doing, taking control of their destiny and one I support albeit I quite like their current stadium.

If I remember correctly they didn't get an academy license because they didn't meet the requirements and when they had one before they stopped running an academy because it was pointless. All the best 14 year olds go saints or Wigan, what's the advantage of running one when you only attract tier 5 or 6 players? 

Edited December 29, 2021 by David Dockhouse Host

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Nope, although I remember a game against Barrow when it didn’t look far off. A club going bust in the 2nd and 3rd division having not been in SL is hardly a comparison to a recent Grand Finalist with 25 years’ Sky TV money though is it…. 

No of course it isn’t, I was really querying the statement that your gates got as low as that, as I couldn’t believe it. 

[Mattrhino]

24 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

People complaining about traffic and parking have obviously never been to Headingley.

[Dallas Mead]

28 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

I absolutely love this glass half full view (so not the rugby league norm sadly). Keep it up! wire fan.

[gingerjon]

2 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

Nope, although I remember a game against Barrow when it didn’t look far off. A club going bust in the 2nd and 3rd division having not been in SL is hardly a comparison to a recent Grand Finalist with 25 years’ Sky TV money though is it…. 

Rugby League Project reckons there's a 1,000 crowd v Batley in 2003 and a fair few in the 1,200-1,500 range.

Their data isn't always 100% accurate though.

[dboy]

52 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

 Normally sale range from 2-3k.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 
 

Lovely optimism but some points need countering - your optimism needs some relation to reality after all.

Salford weren't getting 3k total, never mind having 3k ST holders. Hopefully getting away from Barton will help, but you didn't have 3k ST fans at Willows either.

Will you pay rent at Peninsula?? Shouldn't you be aiming to own your next home?

Pensinsula does NOT have the same land footprint associated with Cas - nowhere near.

Salford aren't "well-run and debt free" - you can't afford your rent because you overspend on players and your CVA debt was written off because you didn't pay it and it timed out. That's not a well run club.

Salford decided not to run an academy because they, well, couldn't afford one - despite Billy Big ###### Koukash saying XYZ. The RFL did not "supress" you.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by dboy

[Johnoco]

58 minutes ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

Are there actually any small RL towns that are Tory areas? 

And several clubs already play in multicultural areas. Not sure why you think this is either new or will result in an increase in attendances. 

[Hopping Mad]

1 hour ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

I went to watch the football at Moor Lane a few weeks ago. There’s loads of free, street parking, a 10-minute walk from the ground, off the main road coming down from Prestwich and the M60.

[Sir Kevin Sinfield]

1 hour ago, Mattrhino said:

People complaining about traffic and parking have obviously never been to Headingley.

I’ve been going to Headingley for almost 20 years and found free on street parking with very little effort at every single game. Every event with thousands attending will have traffic. 

[The 4 of Us]

3 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

According to this total Premier League matchday revenue for last season was £700 between 20 clubs. An average of £35 Million per club over 19 games.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/874020/revenue-of-premier-league-football-clubs-by-stream/

I can’t see how £1M per game is remotely achievable at Moor Lane or £200 per fan assuming 5000.

I suspect SRD would be happy with the £100,000 per game that is more likely. 

Edited December 29, 2021 by The 4 of Us

[idrewthehaggis]

28 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said:

According to this total Premier League matchday revenue for last season was £700 between 20 clubs. An average of £35 Million per club over 19 games.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/874020/revenue-of-premier-league-football-clubs-by-stream/

I can’t see how £1M per game is remotely achievable at Moor Lane or £200 per fan assuming 5000.

I suspect SRD would be happy with the £100,000 per game that is more likely. 

Haha not each game!!!

I am half watching Its A Wonderful Life and even #### Potter couldn't contrive what you suggest.

Mr MacManus reported Saints earn £100k from around 12000 specs per game from hospitality.

SRD will get a fraction of that, but add naming rights, 4g pitch hire and all the other gubbins of running, if not owning her own. 

Certainly more than nothing as now..

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by idrewthehaggis

[Henson Park Old Firm]

How come one club with no fans and money (london can move to a big stadium) and on the flip side another club with no fans and money can't afford to stay at the AJ Bell?

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, idrewthehaggis said:

If I recall the context of King speaking about "1000 season holders" was in regards to the impact of the Pandemic and uncertainty of fans attending in 2022, as well as unfounded speculation  about where SRD will play next season. Plus it was in October, barely out of the last season. Normally sale range from 2-3k. And as attendance numbers are not set by the club, unlike certain local big names, they do not register STH whether they attend or not.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

SRD are moving.

The next ground will be cheaper to rent and will increase match day revenue possibly up to a £1m.

It will be nearer the city centres.

Easier to get to by bus.

Sure local parking is ######, but it's a 5min Uber from Prestwich or Manchester city centre.

Is the same land size as Cas, etc and can be expanded.

The club is well run and is debt free.

If it's Moor Lane, it will be on a historical old rugby ground.

It will be in an multicultural area, which would allow the game to continue its historical tradition of inclusiveness. Too much of some aspects of RL seems to dwell in monocultural Tory/Brexit voting small town silos .Others the very opposite. Make it always the opposite.

The RFL will find it hard to continue suppressing clubs like SRD, especially in regards to Academies. 

It will have a cracking atmosphere. 

It could be developed as a community hub for Kersal/Broughton/Prestwich.

The camera views of the glistening megapolis of Manchester and Salford will look brilliant 

Modern, glamorous and progressive. Everything we want RL to be. 

It's walking distance from our house.

If RL can not make a fist of it in Manchester/Salford I think it's more than SRD to blame. If RL wants to stem the decline, the RFL needs to stop being a lobby for four or so big hugely indebted clubs and go for leather in places like Manchester/Salford.

 

 

 

Excellent stuff, other than your irrelevant dig at people who voted to leave the EU. 

[Robthegasman]

I have read an article about this on the Manchester Evening News website.

 And it seems that in order to get Moor Lane up to Super League standards will cost a bit of money which I thought was the case regardless.It seems that the floodlights aren’t SL standard, and that the advertising hoardings aren’t high enough which would reduce capacity to make them bigger along with the TV gantry not being good enough.

Who would pay for that to be rectified? How much would it cost?And would it be worth it?

Now reading the article and reading between the lines,it suggests that Salford as a Super League club is simply not going to be sustainable. And the article suggested that they may have to look elsewhere for a Super League quality Stadium ie the Manchester arena next to the Etihad,Middlebrook,Bolton or Gigg Lane Bury.But that means leaving the area and they only need to look at Swinton to see how that has effected them.

It certainly looks to me as an outsider looking in that they are facing an existential issue now.Very much at crunch time.

[ATLANTISMAN]

1 hour ago, idrewthehaggis said:

Haha not each game!!!

I am half watching Its A Wonderful Life and even #### Potter couldn't contrive what you suggest.

Mr MacManus reported Saints earn £100k from around 12000 specs per game from hospitality.

SRD will get a fraction of that, but add naming rights, 4g pitch hire and all the other gubbins of running, if not owning her own. 

Certainly more than nothing as now..

 

Average hospitality for a SL game ( 300 max) is around 30K apart from Catalan Dragons (500) around 100K  (Higher prices) 

Leeds would be up there as well and next Toulouse no-one else anywhere near.

 

Paul

[Eddie]

44 minutes ago, Robthegasman said:

And the article suggested that they may have to look elsewhere for a Super League quality Stadium ie the Manchester arena next to the Etihad,Middlebrook,Bolton or Gigg Lane Bury.But that means leaving the area and they only need to look at Swinton to see how that has effected them  

Agree, if they moved to any of those places they might as well cut to the chase and fold now.  However if they do move to Moor Lane hopefully the RFL will give them a couple of years to get it up to standard. 

[Robthegasman]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Agree, if they moved to any of those places they might as well cut to the chase and fold now.  However if they do move to Moor Lane hopefully the RFL will give them a couple of years to get it up to standard. 

If they did do that then I would say a maximum of 2 years and no more. And in my opinion it should be on their dime or the dime of the owners of Moor Lane and most certainly not the Council Tax payers. And in my opinion Salford City Council should not end up the owners of Moor Lane.

[Hull Kingston Bronco]

6 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Rugby League Project reckons there's a 1,000 crowd v Batley in 2003 and a fair few in the 1,200-1,500 range.

Their data isn't always 100% accurate though.

Wouldn’t surprise me. Still hardly a comparison though - and I’d expect Rovers were usually ahead of their peers in that league at the time, despite everything that was going on

 

Regardless, my original note was made out of empathy, in-part having been there (especially watching the Broncos decline from a semi-inside role too), God knows why anyone got so bloomin’ defensive about it