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Sat 23rd Oct: Intl: France v England KO 2.30pm (TV)


Who will win?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • France by 13 points or more
      2
    • France by 7 to 12 points
      0
    • France by 1 to 6 points
      1
    • England by 1 to 6 points
      1
    • England by 7 to 12 points
      4
    • England by 13 points or more
      17

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Just now, yanto said:

Different ball game. England football will always attract viewers. Rugby Union will always attract viewers. 

F1 will always attract viewers no matter how dire.

As a game we are always asking how to attract a new audience. 

In my opinion...much against the twenty or so members on here that are shooting me down...that today was not what we wanted .

Just leave it at that 😉

Fair enough. Look I get what you’re saying - It really wasn’t great at the start -France we’re always massive underdogs and expected to be hammered anyway. Not every game can be a classic but it was fine for what it was. Happy leave it there too 👍

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France need to play England at home every year, mid season, plus 1 or 2 more fixtures. They also need to be involved in end of season tournaments every year such as WC, Euros, and tests against any touring SH sides.

Use these games and Toulouse and Catalans in SL to help raise the standards of the national team and to attract more kids to play the game.

Additionally, they could link up with the new Pacifique XIII team to develop a new talent pool

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France were tactically poor defensively in the first 20 minutes and couldn't handle the high kicks. The Catalan players are used to Tomkins at full back and looked nervous without him there to me. He would have caught the 2 high balls dropped which resulted in 2 of the tries.

England weren't clinical as they missed some opportunities due to misguded individual plays. However they still built a winning lead and at 20-0 it was game over.

I thought France sorted out their defence and played well after that. England lost some intensity with the game won. They also missed a Maloney type player but Farges will be available next time.

I think we would all agree France don't have the strength in depth of England. I think the aim must be to have more players from the Catalans team (Toulouse if good enough), eligible for France. Otherwise they will be too vulnerable if they lose 2 or 3 players to injury. 

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I think Shaun Wane will have learned quite a lot from today.There were certain players just happy to stick in their positions instead of looking for work. Others just didn't look ready for international rugby. Now it could be that some players were on burn out at the end of a season. Also with it being Shaun Wane's first game I'm sure some players didn't understand the commitment needed from them. They definitely will after today. France after a poor start where they couldn't cope with the speed of the game or keep any shape either in attack or defensively, after 20 odd minutes you could see the players start to relax and show glimpses of what they can do, but for a bit more steadiness could have scored at least another couple of tries. France are definitely a work in progress, that hopefully take some positives from that game, although not forgetting their defensive frailties early in the game.

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12 minutes ago, Niels said:

France were tactically poor defensively in the first 20 minutes and couldn't handle the high kicks. The Catalan players are used to Tomkins at full back and looked nervous without him there to me. He would have caught the 2 high balls dropped which resulted in 2 of the tries.

Just a really panicky start, for whatever reason. Every one of the four fullbacks in today's French side have proved themselves more reliable under the high ball than the wretched shambles we saw at the start of this match.

Mark Kheirallah, who was actually playing at FB, is normally a very good player in that position, as can be seen in his performances for Toulouse. On any other day, he'd have most likely caught those kicks and counter-attacked at pace. It may be a few years ago, but he did just that against the Kangaroos and scored a length-of-the-field try.

Add to that the stupid early high shot, the shambles in dealing with the original kick-off, failing to find touch with the boot, and Jussaume completely panicking on debut, and it's a miracle that England didn't score twice as many points in the first quarter.

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1 hour ago, yanto said:

But we had an opportunity to showcase the game at prime time BBC  and I think we once again failed to deliver to attract viewers for the next time.

I turned it off after 20 minutes, it was 1.00 a.m. over here and I`d had a long day chasing cattle and the game looked gone.

Just got up it`s 7.30a.m. seen the score and now I`m kicking myself that I didn`t stick around last night and see what seems have turned out to be an attractive game of League with a lot of the French youngsters showing  a bit of promise.

I bet I`m not the only one who`s seen the scoreline this morning and thought ` damn wasn`t expecting that` and will duly tune in next time.

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1 minute ago, The Rocket said:

I turned it off after 20 minutes, it was 1.00 a.m. over here and I`d had a long day chasing cattle and the game looked gone.

Just got up it`s 7.30a.m. seen the score and now I`m kicking myself that I didn`t stick around last night and see what seems have turned out to be an attractive game of League with a lot of the French youngsters showing  a bit of promise.

I bet I`m not the only one who`s seen the scoreline this morning and thought ` damn wasn`t expecting that` and will duly tune in next time.

You win some, you lose some. It wasn't the best game ever in all honesty but it was exciting enough.

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Just arrived back home fantastic day and Luc Lacoste jokingly thanked Ralph Rimmer for agreeing to play a test match in France every year from now on:)

Fantastic stuff and top marks to Ralph as well for making his speech in French it was noticed.

Sponsors happy everyone happy let's move forwards.

Ian Lenegan also made the effort to go as well top marks.

 

Paul

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Just watched it back on iPlayer. Encouraged to see France match England in the second half with so many debutants, and playing a little bit of champagne rugby too. They will improve for that first half. 

More France vs England games, pls.

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6 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

I turned it off after 20 minutes, it was 1.00 a.m. over here and I`d had a long day chasing cattle and the game looked gone.

Just got up it`s 7.30a.m. seen the score and now I`m kicking myself that I didn`t stick around last night and see what seems have turned out to be an attractive game of League with a lot of the French youngsters showing  a bit of promise.

I bet I`m not the only one who`s seen the scoreline this morning and thought ` damn wasn`t expecting that` and will duly tune in next time.

Second half was a great contest. Leave the cattle to the wife next time cobber 

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16 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Just arrived back home fantastic day and Luc Lacoste jokingly thanked Ralph Rimmer for agreeing to play a test match in France every year from now on:)

Fantastic stuff and top marks to Ralph as well for making his speech in French it was noticed.

Sponsors happy everyone happy let's move forwards.

Ian Lenegan also made the effort to go as well top marks.

 

Paul

Well I've certainly given RR some stick but fair play to him, that's a decent effort.

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Plenty to work on for both sides, but must be acknowledged that neither were close to full strength.

Hopefully Super League experience will improve the Toulouse contingent ahead of the World Cup.

Would be all for annual internationals against France. The eventual aim being to have competitive games against them, rather than our own fans hoping it doesn't become a massacre.

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People are here not understanding how difficult it was to catch Jordan Abdull's bombs in direct sunlight and streaking shade lines, that was the cause of several of the French errors. Khereillah is normally very safe under the bomb. 

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27 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Just arrived back home fantastic day and Luc Lacoste jokingly thanked Ralph Rimmer for agreeing to play a test match in France every year from now on:)

Fantastic stuff and top marks to Ralph as well for making his speech in French it was noticed.

Sponsors happy everyone happy let's move forwards.

Ian Lenegan also made the effort to go as well top marks.

 

Paul

Is Lenegan compos mentis?

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1 hour ago, yanto said:

Different ball game. England football will always attract viewers. Rugby Union will always attract viewers. 

F1 will always attract viewers no matter how dire.

As a game we are always asking how to attract a new audience. 

In my opinion...much against the twenty or so members on here that are shooting me down...that today was not what we wanted .

Just leave it at that 😉

The alternative was of course no end of season international at all. Which will have had very obvious complications for next year if that happened 

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3 hours ago, Damien said:

You make it sound like no team ever races into a big lead after 20 mins. I've seen Australia do similar to England/GB and it happens countless times in Super League. 

His point is that you don't want that to happen when you're trying to attract new fans, because — especially when the visitors put up that big lead — that will turn them off.

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1 minute ago, Big Picture said:

His point is that you don't want that to happen when you're trying to attract new fans, because — especially when the visitors put up that big lead — that will turn them off.

Of course it might. But we can't script games to turn out exactly as we hope they might do.

I *think* it was during the 2009 Tri Nations when England were playing Australia at Wigan. Australia had the game sewn up pretty early on and it looked like being a formality. England fought back and from memory, Sam Burgess and Eorl Crabtree had particularly good  games. Not sure what became of those guys but game turned out pretty good anyway. 

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36 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Ironically, our blowout obsessive @Sports Prophet stuck with it. And says he enjoyed it.

Widest margins were 20-0 and 30-4. I`ll make a note of those for future reference.

How did I know you would be around the corner waiting to pick me up about the blowout score? 🤔

I was in a fortunate position of turning the game on about 40 minutes late. Fast forwarding through half time, turnovers and conversion attempts was a big help, otherwise, I would likely have been like @The Rocket

Although @The Rocket’s actions of turning the game off after 20 minutes (similar to many I would anticipate) only goes on to reinforce my point that the close and competitive fixtures are pivotal to holding a maximum audience.

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Who on earth is the troll/weirdo 'vichy' who comments on every RL thread on the BBC? He (or she) is superbad. 

I know he (or she) reads these pages and I think he/she is very rude about RL. 

Call me maybe?

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1 hour ago, The Daddy said:

People are here not understanding how difficult it was to catch Jordan Abdull's bombs in direct sunlight and streaking shade lines, that was the cause of several of the French errors. Khereillah is normally very safe under the bomb. 

I understand your point but he  doesn't have that standard of kick to deal with usually, and hasn't for a number of seasons.

Arthur took a great catch in the sun so it was possible. The others were letting the ball bounce which I don't like.

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2 minutes ago, Niels said:

I understand your point but he  doesn't have that standard of kick to deal with usually, and hasn't for a number of seasons.

Arthur took a great catch in the sun so it was possible. The others were letting the ball bounce which I don't like.

You're with Stevo there. I remember him saying almost every week 'you never let a Rugby League ball bounce'. If only Stevo had been in charge 😝

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