Sat 14th May : SL : Catalans Dragons v Warrington Wolves KO 6pm local (5pm UK) SKY

[Phil]

 An obvious solution to the alleged poor reffereeing, is for all those who moan about it .... only when their team loses, I strongly suspect ...... to get on a refeering course, qualify, then take over from all those rubbish refs we have at the moment.. However, I will not hold my breath. On a similar theme.. Do the good folk of Warrington  say that the "Ref won it for us, he had a blinder, scored all our points and his defence was brilliant" when they win, or is it only when they lose that "it's the Refs fault"  ?? Just wondering ........

[EagleEyePie]

16 hours ago, Dave T said:

That is a double movement. There shouldnt really a debate around that. Hes allowed to slide over, not make a 2nd movement. 

 

It's only a 2nd movement if the momentum of the tackle has stopped. People seem to think the tackle stops when the ball carrying arm hits the deck but it stops once the player is stationary or called held. As long as Dudson is still sliding he can get his arm free and reach out. He just can't do that once his movement is stopped. The arm was in the air and reached out before the tackle was complete so I don't see how that was a double movement.

[ELBOWSEYE]

29 minutes ago, Phil said:

 An obvious solution to the alleged poor reffereeing, is for all those who moan about it .... only when their team loses, I strongly suspect ...... to get on a refeering course, qualify, then take over from all those rubbish refs we have at the moment.. However, I will not hold my breath. On a similar theme.. Do the good folk of Warrington  say that the "Ref won it for us, he had a blinder, scored all our points and his defence was brilliant" when they win, or is it only when they lose that "it's the Refs fault"  ?? Just wondering ........

Well some do, I remember finals against Leeds  and Saints at Wembley were plenty of calls went our way at crucial times and we took advantage. But that doesn't mean you can't point out when it goes the other way. 

[Dallas Mead]

#Kisskamout

[Robin Evans]

38 minutes ago, Phil said:

 An obvious solution to the alleged poor reffereeing, is for all those who moan about it .... only when their team loses, I strongly suspect ...... to get on a refeering course, qualify, then take over from all those rubbish refs we have at the moment.. However, I will not hold my breath. On a similar theme.. Do the good folk of Warrington  say that the "Ref won it for us, he had a blinder, scored all our points and his defence was brilliant" when they win, or is it only when they lose that "it's the Refs fault"  ?? Just wondering ........

I watched that game as a neutral Phil. The result had no impact my evening and the ref would have had little impact on the result. Wire we sheeite and I think most agree on that.

But, we appear ok to examine the performances of our team, individual players, coaching decisions, use of subs, selection, etc etc. All are under scrutiny win or lose.

The ref is an integral part of the game and I'm not against a balanced judgement of the refs performance. 

The ref is a good ref. One of our better ones. I just think he had a game that wasn't up to his usual standard. Like players and coaches, it happens. A sense of perspective and proportion is what we lack.

[Dave T]

12 minutes ago, EagleEyePie said:

It's only a 2nd movement if the momentum of the tackle has stopped. People seem to think the tackle stops when the ball carrying arm hits the deck but it stops once the player is stationary or called held. As long as Dudson is still sliding he can get his arm free and reach out. He just can't do that once his movement is stopped. The arm was in the air and reached out before the tackle was complete so I don't see how that was a double movement.

In the process of scoring a try a player in possession must not promote the ball from the position the ball has been grounded.

If the momentum of the player in possession carries him into the opponents in goal area, it will not be a double movement if the ball would have finished over the goal line regardless of any subsequent movement of the ball or the arm carrying the ball.

 

Yes, it looks like para 2 covers that. I'm not sure if that's changed because there has certainly been ones in the past where they have only given it if he has slid over without a 2nd movement. 

[EagleEyePie]

11 minutes ago, Dave T said:

In the process of scoring a try a player in possession must not promote the ball from the position the ball has been grounded.

If the momentum of the player in possession carries him into the opponents in goal area, it will not be a double movement if the ball would have finished over the goal line regardless of any subsequent movement of the ball or the arm carrying the ball.

 

Yes, it looks like para 2 covers that. I'm not sure if that's changed because there has certainly been ones in the past where they have only given it if he has slid over without a 2nd movement. 

Turns out I thought wrong then, as I was thinking a player could still move their arm as long as they were in motion, but that suggests strictly speaking they can't, but it's not a penalty if the ball would have been grounded if they hadn't moved their arm.

It means the Dudson one was only just legitimate because he just about made it to the try line regardless of his reaching out.

[Harry Stottle]

16 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

I watched that game as a neutral Phil. The result had no impact my evening and the ref would have had little impact on the result. Wire we sheeite and I think most agree on that.

But, we appear ok to examine the performances of our team, individual players, coaching decisions, use of subs, selection, etc etc. All are under scrutiny win or lose.

The ref is an integral part of the game and I'm not against a balanced judgement of the refs performance. 

The ref is a good ref. One of our better ones. I just think he had a game that wasn't up to his usual standard. Like players and coaches, it happens. A sense of perspective and proportion is what we lack.

Hi Robin, years ago before this saturation TV coverage and examing everthing under a microscope by the Video Ref, the TV pundits, and all us lot sat at home and commenting on it on sites like this and social media, it is though the refs are on a coconut shy waiting to be pelted with every error of judgement no matter the enormity or how small it is.

We have always had rules that the refs have had to adhere to but we had refs who would put their own stamp on the proceedings and have their own interpretations in that they either allowed or otherwise the game to flow, today we are all experts and can relate to previous incidents we have seen live or on the box and claim how inconsistent the refs are, like me you are a fan of a Championship club do you see it the way I do, in that when we have these 'high profile' refs officiating at our non televised games and therefore not under pressue or a microscope of every decision they make they are much much better?

[Dunbar]

On the double movement decision. The great thing about Rugby League is that we adhere so closely to the laws of the game as they are laid down that we can quickly establish whether a piece of play broke a particular law.

Or, back in the real world, we can all agree that nobody even bothers with the laws anymore so let's just go with what feels right.

[DavidM]

42 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

On the double movement decision. The great thing about Rugby League is that we adhere so closely to the laws of the game as they are laid down that we can quickly establish whether a piece of play broke a particular law.

Or, back in the real world, we can all agree that nobody even bothers with the laws anymore so let's just go with what feels right.

Or what they are in different jurisdictions  . There was a penalty for taking out the marker . I just watched a game from magic weekend where a player took out the marker and got told off and sent back to play the ball .

[Harry Stottle]

52 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

On the double movement decision. The great thing about Rugby League is that we adhere so closely to the laws of the game as they are laid down that we can quickly establish whether a piece of play broke a particular law.

Or, back in the real world, we can all agree that nobody even bothers with the laws anymore so let's just go with what feels right.

We have rules in RL Dunny, Laws in t'other game.

[Dunbar]

38 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

We have rules in RL Dunny, Laws in t'other game.

You should let the RFL know as they publish the Laws of the Game.

https://www.rugby-league.com/governance/rules-and-regulations/laws-of-the-game

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

L'Independant newspaper reports that 300 Ukrainian refugees, now in the Perpignan area, were invited to attend the Dracs -v- Wire clash as guests of the home club - nice touch.

[The Future is League]

Its not the refs who are continually offside at the play ball by the opposition.

Its not the refs who knock on the ball.

Its not the refs who do high shots on the opposition

Perhaps Daryl Powell is not aware of the laws of the game, or perhaps he's players are not aware of them.

Daryl Powell needs to learn the laws of the game and so do his players

[Dallas Mead]

Daryl Powell needs to stop blaming referees when he’s just been beaten 40-8.

[Ant]

Yeah, the ref didn't turn the game, his coaching did.

[henage]

I played the game for a lot of years .

Took the whistle up for 6/7 games .

Never really had a grip on the rules to be honest .

[Old Frightful]

8 hours ago, henage said:

I played the game for a lot of years .

Took the whistle up for 6/7 games .

Never really had a grip on the rules to be honest .

You are Steve Ganson and I claim my ticket to a St Helens' social night out.

[ATLANTISMAN]

On 15/05/2022 at 15:56, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

L'Independant newspaper reports that 300 Ukrainian refugees, now in the Perpignan area, were invited to attend the Dracs -v- Wire clash as guests of the home club - nice touch.

The club also raised quite a bit of money as well with the t shirts  (We bought 6:) and raffle.

Totally brilliant and a great day.

Well done the Dragons, Bernard was on good form as well after the match we were still at the bar around midnight:)

 

Paul

[Wiltshire Warrior Dragon]

29 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

The club also raised quite a bit of money as well with the t shirts  (We bought 6:) and raffle.

Totally brilliant and a great day.

Well done the Dragons, Bernard was on good form as well after the match we were still at the bar around midnight:)

 

Paul

A good way to recover from a heart condition!!

[ATLANTISMAN]

9 minutes ago, Wiltshire Warrior Dragon said:

A good way to recover from a heart condition!!

To be fair it was more banter than drinking:)