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9 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

Before getting the knives out you do realise that it wasn’t the players or the club who withdrew them, they were withdrawn by the England medical team after they were assessed after the GF. Saints never made public the severity of both players injuries and when the England doctor was given that info he then withdrew them deeming then to be too big a risk for the WC squad.

I didn't realise it was the England medical staff that ruled Lomax out.  Can you point me at the article / press release that announced this.  Thanks.

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7 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Why would anyone pick Radley at No 9 a specialised position, ball distribution is a key element of this position does Radley have previous experience of playing there.

He came into first grade playing a fair bit of 9, often he would start the first 20 and then revert to a running forward - looks like he's started 15 NRL games at hooker. In saying that, the last time he started a game there was around mid 2019 and it was fairly obvious he was never going to be a fulltime 9 - obviously superb defender and brings the right energy around the ruck but ball distribution and selection was quite lacking. 

I don't think Radley starting at 9 is going to be Wanes selection though, every England game he has coached so far has consisted of rotation of 2 specialist hookers. As much as I think the McIlorum Selection is a good contender for worst in the squad I'd be shocked if the starting lineup isn't - 9. McIlorum 14. Ackers

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23 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No not at all, anyway I will take @UTKinterpretation, yes Radly can tackle, he can run the ball in where it hurts, but I gave not seen much of him passing and distributing, I suppose he can be put in a nine shirt but not play as a nine.

I’ll take that as “I’ve never watched victor Radley play and I’m just making stuff up”. As someone who has probably watched every single game Victor has played in his career I’m highly offended that someone would even suggest he can’t pass or distribute. You obviously don’t know what your talking about.

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6 minutes ago, SydneyRoosters said:

I’ll take that as “I’ve never watched victor Radley play and I’m just making stuff up”. As someone who has probably watched every single game Victor has played in his career I’m highly offended that someone would even suggest he can’t pass or distribute. You obviously don’t know what your talking about.

Just ignore them, he is a quality player who fits Wanes style of forwards he likes. There is a decent 13 for England but not heavy on quality centres. 

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20 minutes ago, SydneyRoosters said:

I’ll take that as “I’ve never watched victor Radley play and I’m just making stuff up”. As someone who has probably watched every single game Victor has played in his career I’m highly offended that someone would even suggest he can’t pass or distribute. You obviously don’t know what your talking about.

OK, not going to argue with you.

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Have to say, I am in the camp at having a look at Radley at 9 in one of the early games.  Getting 20/25 minutes from him at dummy half before bringing on a specialist 9 with some creativity (Ackers).

I guess what I am saying is that I think Radley is a very good player and I would to find a way to get him on the pitch as well as Morgan Knowles.

I suspect that Wane will go with McIllorum and Ackers as a standard two 9 rotation though.

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I think he’ll get Knowles and Radley on the field at the same time by playing Knowles at prop. He’s played Knowles at prop previously and I don’t think it’s a massive issue. The middle unit should be very sold defensively at least, with those two and Micky Mac in there. I’d expect those three to start and then guys like Burgess and Oledzki to bring more size and impact from the bench. 

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13 hours ago, ghost crayfish said:

I think Knowles is a bit small to play prop with a smaller 13 like Radley as well (not to mention Bateman and Whitehead aren't the biggest 2nd rowers). The pack would look a bit too light weight. I think it's hard to squeeze both guys into the 17 unless Radley plays some time at hooker.

For me, it all depends on when amd where he has the two on the pitch at the same time.

I would br inclined to at least test the strategy of Radley at 9 and Knowles at 13 to start the game. 

This means we can start the game with two big middles (say Hill and Oledzki), bring Burgess on at around 20 minutes for for impact and then late in the half (30 mins) introduce Ackers and Thompson so we have the creativity of Ackers from dummy half and Radley, Knowles and Thompson as really mobile middle unit at the back end of the half.  The other middle rotates between Burgess, Oledzki and Hill.

P.s. I think Oledzki is a hybrid in this plan as he is really mobile for a big man and has a great engine. 

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6 hours ago, Dunbar said:

For me, it all depends on when amd where he has the two on the pitch at the same time.

I would br inclined to at least test the strategy of Radley at 9 and Knowles at 13 to start the game. 

This means we can start the game with two big middles (say Hill and Oledzki), bring Burgess on at around 20 minutes for for impact and then late in the half (30 mins) introduce Ackers and Thompson so we have the creativity of Ackers from dummy half and Radley, Knowles and Thompson as really mobile middle unit at the back end of the half.  The other middle rotates between Burgess, Oledzki and Hill.

P.s. I think Oledzki is a hybrid in this plan as he is really mobile for a big man and has a great engine. 

That could work.

Let's face it - the plan only needs to work for 1 game really. France and Greece are going to be complete mismatches, and after that it is "knock out footy".

They only really need to beat Samoa, whose backs are clearly superior, so the game will be won in the middle. Your approach actually makes a fair bit of sense. 

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On 01/10/2022 at 22:07, Dunbar said:

I didn't realise it was the England medical staff that ruled Lomax out.  Can you point me at the article / press release that announced this.  Thanks.

According to Wane in the press conference Lomax pulled himself out.

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2 minutes ago, Damien said:

According to Wane in the press conference Lomax pulled himself out.

No.  I cannot believe that Saint Toppy has made something up!

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5 hours ago, Damien said:

According to Wane in the press conference Lomax pulled himself out.

To be fair Lomax shouldn’t have carried on playing after his injury and it was a 12 week recovery when he did it. Probably much longer now but he would’ve been in a lot of pain to keep going. In the World Cup as the games ramp up the intensity will as well he probably doesn’t think his bodies up to it which has to be his call. 

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11 hours ago, bobbruce said:

To be fair Lomax shouldn’t have carried on playing after his injury and it was a 12 week recovery when he did it. Probably much longer now but he would’ve been in a lot of pain to keep going. In the World Cup as the games ramp up the intensity will as well he probably doesn’t think his bodies up to it which has to be his call. 

That is all fair.  I may not like Lomax playing for Saints and then not playing for England but it is not my choice, my career or my livelihood... it is Lomax's.

But the point of this part of the conversation is that Saint Toppy claimed that it was the English medical staff that ruled out Lomax when I haven't seen anything to suggest this.

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20 hours ago, Madrileño said:

That could work.

Let's face it - the plan only needs to work for 1 game really. France and Greece are going to be complete mismatches, and after that it is "knock out footy".

They only really need to beat Samoa, whose backs are clearly superior, so the game will be won in the middle. Your approach actually makes a fair bit of sense. 

How are their backs superior?

I don't think they are at all.

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3 hours ago, Mr Frisky said:

How are their backs superior?

I don't think they are at all.

The majority of them just won the NRL. 

England's backs have spent the season (well... every season!) playing against Huddersfield and Wakefield. 

They wouldn't get near that Penrith team. 

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13 hours ago, Damien said:

England press conference:

 

Is that the England MEN Team , I’m so glad they could point that out to me thanks RFL I was struggling. Potentially some stickers highlighting what is a table and a Rugby ball would both also be handy . 

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5 hours ago, Madrileño said:

The majority of them just won the NRL. 

England's backs have spent the season (well... every season!) playing against Huddersfield and Wakefield. 

They wouldn't get near that Penrith team. 

For you to explain that makes me think some of these English fans are underestimating the samoan team too much lol

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