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4 hours ago, RP London said:

the Leicester case is a poor example as that is about 2 different bodies running the leagues and who has jurisdiction to "prosecute"... a better example would be chelsea getting away with it because they amortised the transfer figures by the contract length which PSR hadnt taken into consideration.

Fair, but the point stands. The language, the rules, the grading; everything needs to be absolutely bob on. I've kept a brief eye on this thread and it appears as though there have been a few revisions which doesn't fill me with absolute confidence that it will be.

 

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1 hour ago, MattSantos said:

Fair, but the point stands. The language, the rules, the grading; everything needs to be absolutely bob on. I've kept a brief eye on this thread and it appears as though there have been a few revisions which doesn't fill me with absolute confidence that it will be.

 

IMG have done this sort of thing before. While we are all just speculating I would say the fact they have done this before with another sport that its probably worth erring on the side of them getting the right sort of advice (legally) and knowing roughly what they are doing.. 

They may not, granted, but we dont half jump to conclusions based on hear say and off pretty poor articles... 

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20 minutes ago, RP London said:

IMG have done this sort of thing before. While we are all just speculating I would say the fact they have done this before with another sport that its probably worth erring on the side of them getting the right sort of advice (legally) and knowing roughly what they are doing.. 

They may not, granted, but we dont half jump to conclusions based on hear say and off pretty poor articles... 

They've also been filed against before though;  Pitt sued them a few year back for failing to pay them monies owed. Also, the parent company paid significant damages re the UFC class action.

I don't think we'll see anything like this and i don't wholly have a different view that many of the same voices on here, though i will repeat; IMG and RFL absolutely need to be 100% accurate and transparent. Anything else and the optics to an audience looking for an excuse will be terrible.

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36 minutes ago, sheddingswasus said:

It wouldn’t surprise me to see IMGs contract cancelled 

Unilaterally?  By whom?

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34 minutes ago, MattSantos said:

They've also been filed against before though;  Pitt sued them a few year back for failing to pay them monies owed. Also, the parent company paid significant damages re the UFC class action.

I don't think we'll see anything like this and i don't wholly have a different view that many of the same voices on here, though i will repeat; IMG and RFL absolutely need to be 100% accurate and transparent. Anything else and the optics to an audience looking for an excuse will be terrible.

Whilst that may be right, as we've seen, governing bodies lose appeals, sometimes on technicalities or loopholes. If the RFL did ever lose an appeal in a case like this it would be described as an "only in rl" moment but it would be anything but.

 

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5 hours ago, sheddingswasus said:

Just a personal opinion given how many clubs are speaking out about it. 

If IMG don't agree to cancel, they'll be entitled to compensation.  Probably (not having seen the contract).

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12 hours ago, Damien said:

How many is it really though?

Agreed. I'm not being dismissive of the point, because who knows what's going on behind the scenes, but in reality there has been very little dissent here, most clubs are just cracking in and working to the new system.

I've personally seen public criticism from London, Leigh and Wire's CEO gave a general 'must do better' one liner against IMG. But I don't read all SL media.

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Agreed. I'm not being dismissive of the point, because who knows what's going on behind the scenes, but in reality there has been very little dissent here, most clubs are just cracking in and working to the new system.

I've personally seen public criticism from London, Leigh and Wire's CEO gave a general 'must do better' one liner against IMG. But I don't read all SL media.

As you say we have only heard criticism from those clubs. Then criticism from RL journalists with an axe to grind, and who by and large are tradionalists (for want of a better word), and a loud minority of fans on social media (when it comes to overall RL fan numbers). Now this is way off any large scale dissent. If more clubs speak out against this, and let's face it the Wigans, Leeds  Saints of this world, then yes it becomes a problem but we are way off that.

I also think there is only a small minority of fans against this but that is just my view. These though are the same kind of fans that will be against any change and will harp on about Super Greed etc and whatever system we have will be rigged against their club, even p&r. I think more fans are in favour and know change need to happen and I certainly think that the vast majority don't care either way.

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19 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Yes I can also think of a couple who are just WORKING the system

If that means making improvements to facilities and finances, that should be welcomed.

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21 minutes ago, Damien said:

The only way you can work the system is by making improvements in those areas, which is the point.

All the stadium stuff is easy, you either have the things or you don't. It's all the other stuff which they say will be audited and if you believe that will be done thoroughly that's your opinion. I believe many facts will be stretched and be accepted as the truth. 

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On 03/09/2024 at 12:39, JohnM said:

Reads like he's had too much hospitality courtesy of the flat-cap claque.

How very you to say that John, why not just say he must have been piffed to have the views he has, personally I wish more people with a voice to be heard would show this IMG/RLCom up for the sham it is long before we spend the £5 Million retainer on them.

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1 hour ago, Agbrigg said:

All the stadium stuff is easy, you either have the things or you don't. It's all the other stuff which they say will be audited and if you believe that will be done thoroughly that's your opinion. I believe many facts will be stretched and be accepted as the truth. 

I don't believe that there won't be some massaging going on but ultimately they will need to improve on various metrics and show evidence of these improvements. That is the point and I don't believe it will be easy to just work the system on the scale you suggest.

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

I don't believe that there won't be some massaging going on but ultimately they will need to improve on various metrics and show evidence of these improvements. That is the point and I don't believe it will be easy to just work the system on the scale you suggest.

Well, we have just seen the Cas board of directors publish a press release saying they are confident of getting a grade A. If that's the case, then quite a few championship clubs must be grade A. So all you need to do is emulate Cas and you achieve A grade. Not a very high bar is it.

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11 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Well, we have just seen the Cas board of directors publish a press release saying they are confident of getting a grade A. If that's the case, then quite a few championship clubs must be grade A. So all you need to do is emulate Cas and you achieve A grade. Not a very high bar is it.

People may sneer at Cas, but they've averaged over 7k consistently now for a good while. In the last decade they've won an LLS, lost a Grand Final and played in two Challenge Cup Finals.

They've proven to be far stronger than many that sneer at them.

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

People may sneer at Cas, but they've averaged over 7k consistently now for a good while. In the last decade they've won an LLS, lost a Grand Final and played in two Challenge Cup Finals.

They've proven to be far stronger than many that sneer at them.give over

Give over, just looking at facts. IMG is for the here and now in the main. If Cas are grade A , many other clubs should easily achieve an A.

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23 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Well, we have just seen the Cas board of directors publish a press release saying they are confident of getting a grade A. If that's the case, then quite a few championship clubs must be grade A. So all you need to do is emulate Cas and you achieve A grade. Not a very high bar is it.

Confidence is not actuality. Good luck to them if they do get an A, of course as they will have met the requirements, as will every club that gets an "A" .

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2 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Give over, just looking at facts. IMG is for the here and now in the main. If Cas are grade A , many other clubs should easily achieve an A.

Firstly, I don't think they'll get an A, they aren't even that confident of that. But who exactly are the clubs outperforming them that are not A's? 

Nobody in the Championship is, Wakefield were in the same position as Cas for the last decade and massively underperformed versus them. Massively.

 

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43 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

Well, we have just seen the Cas board of directors publish a press release saying they are confident of getting a grade A. If that's the case, then quite a few championship clubs must be grade A. So all you need to do is emulate Cas and you achieve A grade. Not a very high bar is it.

That's a completely different point.

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