Dave T Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Bomb Jack said: This fundraising effort has nothing to do with Widnes Sport Ltd, the Company Steve O'Connor started after we went into Administration in 2007. This is all being done by genuine fans of the Club, which includes Players and backroom staff. They obviously have no job if the worst happens, so they all worked 12.1/2 hours at the Club yesterday, for free! Ex-Viking Big Wille Isa also went down and helped on the phones yesterday. I do get that, but by using the official club social media, that blurs the lines around independence. I have full sympathy with employees and fans who are the ones who get shafted by poor management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 4 hours ago, The Future is League said: But importantly you did get back on an even keel. I can only conclude that some clubs are way overspending, not just a little. Well I hope we have. How many clubs can honestly say they haven't overspent in the recent past ? I'm not saying it's right but unfortunately a lot of these hard nosed businessmen lose the plot when it comes to rugby league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 5 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said: Instead of this fundraising which is for the right reasons, simply buy season tickets or is that too simple. The club has already had half a million quid or so in season ticket sales before the season started. There'll be a couple of thousand people who've paid £200 on a season ticket that will probably have got them admission to one game. One of the reasons so many people are pointing the finger at James "the club is debt-free" Rule is that clubs which go bust usually do so in the close season, not *after* they've already received a large proportion of their income for the year. Buying a season ticket now would be utterly pointless - not going to benefit Widnes RL at all. Better to give that money to VIQI or any new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, JonM said: One of the reasons so many people are pointing the finger at James "the club is debt-free" Rule is that clubs which go bust usually do so in the close season, not *after* they've already received a large proportion of their income for the year. Buying a season ticket now would be utterly pointless - not going to benefit Widnes RL at all. Better to give that money to VIQI or any new club. This was similar to the last Bradford meltdown. Marc Green grabbed the season ticket money, most of it via 'early bird' deals - then put the club into Admin (later that turned into liquidation). When Andrew Chalmers took over he felt obliged to honour those season tickets (and did so), but he had none of income - it had all disappeared with Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 If Widnes go into liquidation and cease to exist will they be redirected like Bradford were and given a 12 point penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: If Widnes go into liquidation and cease to exist will they be redirected like Bradford were and given a 12 point penalty? Twelve point penalty already applies I believe, due to going into administration (not liquidation yet.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Plow Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, JonM said: Twelve point penalty already applies I believe, due to going into administration (not liquidation yet.) Yeah I know that. But if they were liquidated and a new club was formed would it be like the Bulls, instead of starting in League 1 they just carry on like nothing has happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr Plow said: Yeah I know that. But if they were liquidated and a new club was formed would it be like the Bulls, instead of starting in League 1 they just carry on like nothing has happened Liquidation and administration are completely different. It will be quite a while before the current 'Widnes RLFC' Co are liquidated no matter what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolton Leyther Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Dave T said: I genuinely wish the club all the best, but I don't like the official club Twitter campaigning for these 'independent' funds. It has stopped me donating to be honest. I understand that it's being done out of desperation but I found the tweets to the SBRF foundation and Wire FM to be in poor taste and, being honest, emotionally manipulative. I also share the sentiment, expressed by others, about what the intention for the money is. It's been stated that it's to “save” the club from administration but, with a great deal of respect, there isn't a hope of that happening from supporter donations and bucket collections. Again, I understand completely why people want to donate but I'm just witnessing people giving away sentimentally valued memorabilia with no conceivable benefit to anyone. There was a video earlier today of one guy who donated £10,000 and, accepting that first impressions can be deceiving, he didn't present himself as the type of person who would have that sort of money to spare. I really hope that it wasn't a substantial portion of his life savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemel Stag Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/21/2019 at 6:17 PM, fevtom said: Many sources are reporting a 12 point deduction. Seems like kicking someone when they are on the floor already. Pretty sad. Doesn't help the club in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Hemel Stag said: Seems like kicking someone when they are on the floor already. Pretty sad. Doesn't help the club in any way. As has been said many times, it prevents clubs wiping out debts and carrying on as if nothing has happened. Most pro sports have similar disincentives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Fox Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Dave T said: I genuinely wish the club all the best, but I don't like the official club Twitter campaigning for these 'independent' funds. It has stopped me donating to be honest. Dave, don’t think of them as official club social media accounts. If it helps, think of the club directors as an evil junta whose generals have fled for the hills. All that has happened is that the rebels have seized control of the state communication apparatus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL2 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Yes this ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Jack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 It seems the Directors (Rule & Co) have bled the Club dry! Our debts haven't been called in, and we haven't been put into Administration by HMRC or similar. The Directors left less than £1,000 in our Bank Account, made sure they got their final salaries first, and then called in the Administrators. Disgraceful behaviour, and also illegal!!! Widnes - Cheshire's Original Glamour Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginalMrC Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I have a soft spot for Widnes and really hope they get through this. It's obvious the club have been dreadfully mismanaged. I do however feel a bit uneasy at the requests for donations from fans. It's not clear what the money is for and I fear it may end up in a black hole. I also note Martin Offiah has recieved huge amounts of abuse for not publically supporting the fundraiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said: I have a soft spot for Widnes and really hope they get through this. It's obvious the club have been dreadfully mismanaged. I do however feel a bit uneasy at the requests for donations from fans. It's not clear what the money is for and I fear it may end up in a black hole. I also note Martin Offiah has recieved huge amounts of abuse for not publically supporting the fundraiser. Fair point , felt similar when I saw that email request for money going round . Doesn’t look great when you’ve got yourself into a total mess and with an uncertain future . These things must be on the radar for some time and yet they signed Gelling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Bomb Jack said: It seems the Directors (Rule & Co) have bled the Club dry! Our debts haven't been called in, and we haven't been put into Administration by HMRC or similar. The Directors left less than £1,000 in our Bank Account, made sure they got their final salaries first, and then called in the Administrators. Disgraceful behaviour, and also illegal!!! where did you read that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuutaisrambo Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 It'd be nice to think the money is being collected in one place and people will know how it is being used? rather than just getting thrown into the administration black hole. Without knowing how bad the situation is they may well be trying to put out a house fire with a water pistol. Maybe some sort of trust could be put together and if There's no point putting the money into Widnes Vikings it could be used to help start a new club in the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Fox Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, tuutaisrambo said: It'd be nice to think the money is being collected in one place and people will know how it is being used? rather than just getting thrown into the administration black hole. Without knowing how bad the situation is they may well be trying to put out a house fire with a water pistol. Maybe some sort of trust could be put together and if There's no point putting the money into Widnes Vikings it could be used to help start a new club in the town. The money is being held by VIQI, which is a fan-run squad builder type organisation. The declared intention is to use it to come out of administration if feasible (possibly in conjunction with a business consortium) or to help fund a successor club if this one is liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konkrete Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 16 hours ago, Mr Plow said: Yeah I know that. But if they were liquidated and a new club was formed would it be like the Bulls, instead of starting in League 1 they just carry on like nothing has happened ‘... carry on like nothing has happened.’ Lordy. Forever in our shadow, forever on your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomb Jack Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, chuffer said: where did you read that? Flash Gordon confirmed it on Twitter. Widnes - Cheshire's Original Glamour Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 At what point will we know if this weekend's fixture is on or off? If I buy a ticket will it be honoured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said: At what point will we know if this weekend's fixture is on or off? If I buy a ticket will it be honoured? If you buy with a credit card you should be protected but personally I'd wait until the fixture is confirmed as going ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Baldrick Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, Les Tonks Sidestep said: If you buy with a credit card you should be protected but personally I'd wait until the fixture is confirmed as going ahead. Cheers. Is an early decision likely to be made though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Halfpenny fan Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Steve Fox said: Dave, don’t think of them as official club social media accounts. If it helps, think of the club directors as an evil junta whose generals have fled for the hills. All that has happened is that the rebels have seized control of the state communication apparatus. Thats very good. Just because you think everyone hates you doesn't mean they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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