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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

But this is the point. People obsess about what they think people want, but tbh not many really wanted Enb v Aus in yet another WC opener. It got a terrible crowd in Melbourne last time. 

I genuinely think we will fil St James Pk in the opener next year vs Samoa, and that will be because it is the opener at a great stadium featuring the host nation. That is all it needs, it doesn't need Oz or NZ to be there too. 

Let the tournament build up into the big games between the best teams. Depending on how they do the rankings draw we could see Tonga v Samoa in the knockouts. Those war dances are great, but they will now be seen at even more grounds than ever, we don't need to artificially manufacture the fixtures. We have test series or Pacific Cups for that. 

But like I say, the proof will be in the pudding, if we get bums on seats, financial results, and viewing figures we want they will have made the right choice. But not everybody wants your stage managed overly commercialised sporting world, plenty want these kind of systems. 

The Super groups of 2008 did a job, but even though I was there it was too much. It was pretty much fixed and had little integrity, we have toned it down each time to the point of us going with a more standard approach here. I'm very happy with that for 2021.

 

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50 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I think I see a world Cup as something different. A festival of RL with the different countries and cultures coming together. If the organisers make a big play on that, then I will be very happy. 

Very many of my favourite World Cup games over the years haven't been between the big 3. I am very excited for the opener for England, I always like France and I expwct Greece will be a walkover but hopefully they play on their story. That seems an interesting enough group p and set of fixtures as an England fan. 

I'm not a fan of just keep repeating fixtures in a different country every 4 years. Let's be honest, we have used the big 3 playing the openers si ce 1995, and only 1995 was a memorable one with a crowd that was way down on expectations. It was worse at Twickenham 5 years later, a rubbish match in 2008 in Sydney and whilst a decent game in 2013 and a solid crowd it wasn't anything near as successful as we should be looking at. 2017 was rubbish in Melbourne. 

2021 is abandoning the obsession with top 3 as opener, and I genuinely expect it will break the crowd record for the opener. 

We should never have abandoned the 4N, in fact we should have expanded to 6 or 8, that is where you stage these regular games versus these teams. 

A world Cup should be different, unique, a festival. I think there will be challenges, but I think in general people are buying into the credible structure. 

Agree with all this especially the 4 nations point as it should never of been scrapped.

World Cups are great and all but they only occur once every four years and should cap off the internationals. Its the tournaments/internationals in the 3 years leading up that should be really used to boost international rugby league.

In 2020 and 2022,23,24 there should be an 8 eight nations with the top 8 teams in the world:

Pool A

Australia, England, Fiji, PNG

Pool B

New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, France

5 weeks at the end of each year. Not asking for that much.

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Late to the party......great coverage of TGG - thought HRHH was brilliant too.

Hope he takes Mega to the final !

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The answer to the question on what people want.

Ask the potential audience of the world cup in this country whether they want to watch Sipi Tau v Siva Tau or Haka v Noqu Masu and the vast majority won't a have clue what you are going on about.

They just want to be part of a great sporting event.

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I'm not saying there is an establishment conspiracy against our game but just days after being involved in the draw Buckingham Palace have declared that Prince Harry and Meghan will no longer use their HRH titles and will not receive public funds for royal duties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51163865

Coincidence? You tell me!

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HRH doing the draw certainly got us loads of publicity. Have never seen RL mentioned so much on the news and Buck House was a new and novel venue

Draw looks good and after last time am really looking forward to it.

Serious point though re the ex HRH - does he still have any value to our game. If he is off to Canada he is not really going to do us any great favours and his likely des res in Vancouver is miles away from Toronto.

Lets face it they are going and not coming back. Who should we now have as a patron or cheerleader for the game ?

 

 

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What has Prince Harry ever done for Rugby League......?

...... apart from 

having a photoshoot at Headingley with school children being encouraged to play the game,

inviting Kevin Sinfield to his wedding thus ensuring some publicity for our game on his wedding day

tweeting his good wishes to England's international teams

presenting the Challenge Cup

meeting England wheelchair players

highlighting Rob Burrow's condition

spearheading an initiative on mental health in Rugby League

getting the use of his grandmother's pad for the hosting of the draw

arranging his personal circumstances to get maximum media attention for the World Cup draws

getting a worldwide audience of hundreds of millions of people to take notice of the Rugby League World Cup.

 

Set against this, a poster here thinks Harry will not offer any future value to the game, and so should be dumped! There are two things in this world that sell newspapers and drive social media engagement, celebrity and royalty. It does not matter if the Sussexes do not have a few initials in front of their name, the interest in the couple will continue to be overwhelming.

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1 hour ago, headtackle said:

HRH doing the draw certainly got us loads of publicity. Have never seen RL mentioned so much on the news and Buck House was a new and novel venue

Draw looks good and after last time am really looking forward to it.

Serious point though re the ex HRH - does he still have any value to our game. If he is off to Canada he is not really going to do us any great favours and his likely des res in Vancouver is miles away from Toronto.

Lets face it they are going and not coming back. Who should we now have as a patron or cheerleader for the game ?

I'd like to see Harry nip over to Toronno for the opening game to officially kick off the home matches.

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6 hours ago, Scubby said:

I am actually so excited about this tournament it has saved me from the brink

Step away from the cliff Scubby. C’mon man, it’s not worth it, we’re all here for you, give us a hug 🤗 

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6 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Step away from the cliff Scubby. C’mon man, it’s not worth it, we’re all here for you, give us a hug 🤗 

Oh dear, you have only gone and mentioned the *ug word in front of Scubby!

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11 hours ago, flyingking said:

Oh dear, you have only gone and mentioned the *ug word in front of Scubby!

You said it! FFS if there's no mug this time then there never will be!!

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17 hours ago, Dave T said:

But this is the point. People obsess about what they think people want, but tbh not many really wanted Enb v Aus in yet another WC opener. It got a terrible crowd in Melbourne last time. 

I genuinely think we will fil St James Pk in the opener next year vs Samoa, and that will be because it is the opener at a great stadium featuring the host nation. That is all it needs, it doesn't need Oz or NZ to be there too. 

Let the tournament build up into the big games between the best teams. Depending on how they do the rankings draw we could see Tonga v Samoa in the knockouts. Those war dances are great, but they will now be seen at even more grounds than ever, we don't need to artificially manufacture the fixtures. We have test series or Pacific Cups for that. 

But like I say, the proof will be in the pudding, if we get bums on seats, financial results, and viewing figures we want they will have made the right choice. But not everybody wants your stage managed overly commercialised sporting world, plenty want these kind of systems. 

The Super groups of 2008 did a job, but even though I was there it was too much. It was pretty much fixed and had little integrity, we have toned it down each time to the point of us going with a more standard approach here. I'm very happy with that for 2021.

 

But WE dont, we dont see them because they only happen thousands of miles away.

You are arguing that it isnt just about the big teams, then want to judge the success by England v Samoa.

We could sell out a big stadium for englands first fixture against anyone. Its what comes after. 

Seeding artificially manages the fixtures anyway so we are doing that, why not do it better 

A different format can showcase what is great about our sport specifically. 

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More good news for the RWC, with the current situation in Greece possibly improving, as posted on the International Forum.

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16 hours ago, NOS4A2 said:

Personally, I like the open draw, with a few tasty games that will decide the groups. Before it was always about who would make the SF's along with the big 3, but I see there being a few scraps before we get to the QF's and 

The only downside as I see it is the stadiums we've selected. It shows determination and confidence in picking big stadiums, but the selection of only one London Venue would seem to be cutting off the South of the Country other than for an "event" game. 

 

Well there should be no excuse not to sell out the 60000 seats for the semi final if the south feel cut off from the tournament.

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Prince Harry (or rather The Duke of Sussex) will continue as patron of the RFL according to the RFL

Yes and its been made clear that he wishes particularly to carry on with his sporting connections.

I was out for four friends last night - all of whom knew about the RLWC because of the publicity and one of which agreed to come to see the Ashes later this year at Tottenham. His first ever RL game.

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Just now, EssexRL said:

Yes and its been made clear that he wishes particularly to carry on with his sporting connections.

I was out for four friends last night - all of whom knew about the RLWC because of the publicity and one of which agreed to come to see the Ashes later this year at Tottenham. His first ever RL game.

Fantastic isn't it. Having Harry at the opener and final of the RLWC will massively boost publicity.

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2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Prince Harry (or rather The Duke of Sussex) will continue as patron of the RFL according to the RFL

Good news. He is a good fit for the game and has already done more than any other patron that I can remember.

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4 hours ago, Damien said:

Good news. He is a good fit for the game and has already done more than any other patron that I can remember.

In the past week, he's also single handedly raised the profile of the sport to the wider global public more than any other person. You couldn't buy the level of publicity he's generated

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17 minutes ago, NOS4A2 said:

That's not what I meant. Look at the wiki page map of the stadium locations and you'll see what I mean. It's hardly a tournament hosted across the nation and selling Italy v Jamaica to the large Italian and Jamaican communities in London would have a wider benefit for the game as a national sport than nearly filling Leigh sports Village. 

As I said the government money was conditional it was mainly held in the North.

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12 minutes ago, Mr Frisky said:

As I said the government money was conditional it was mainly held in the North.

Plus, with the BBC showing every single match across their various platforms, this is a RWC that's more accessible than ever before to anyone in the UK who can operate a TV remote control.

If the government are in a current state of pretending to give a toss about the North (or anywhere outside the Home Counties), we may as well take the opportunity to milk them for every penny that's going, because it won't last. My only worry is that it'll be another hollow promise, and the funding will turn from a "commitment" to an "aspiration", so make sure the cheques don't bounce before you spend.

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6 hours ago, Mr Frisky said:

Well there should be no excuse not to sell out the 60000 seats for the semi final if the south feel cut off from the tournament.

In fairness that one probably will be a sellout, its the third games at Leigh, Warrington, Doncaster and St Helens I'm most worried about attendance wise.

Edit: London and Leeds hold the best records for consistently good attendances at RL internationals - we shouldn't be surprised if that is the case again and that's probably why they are the two locations for the semi finals

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I love a world cup because you get to see the smaller nations. The big nations will march on as they normally do, and as they have always done. But i like watching the likes of Samoa v France with something really big hanging on it.. I dont want to watch england play australia over and over.. i will of course but I would prefer this sort of structure where it builds to a climax. 

For me the last one where there were different rules for different groups did make it feel a bit like "the big boys" are having a bit of a warm up comp, while the little ones play to have the right to play against them which for me is not really what a world cup should be about IMHO

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1 hour ago, RP London said:

I love a world cup because you get to see the smaller nations. The big nations will march on as they normally do, and as they have always done. But i like watching the likes of Samoa v France with something really big hanging on it.. I dont want to watch england play australia over and over.. i will of course but I would prefer this sort of structure where it builds to a climax. 

For me the last one where there were different rules for different groups did make it feel a bit like "the big boys" are having a bit of a warm up comp, while the little ones play to have the right to play against them which for me is not really what a world cup should be about IMHO

exactly my thoughts. 

Looking at the fixtures, I have my eye on the following:

Eng v Samoa - opener should be great, with hopefully a good England win in a high profile opener.

Samoa v France - will probably decide who qualifies for the QF along with England.

Aus v Scotland and Fiji v Scotland - I'll be supporting Scotland and England, so interested in these anyway, but the Fiji game could be the decider for qualification.

Jamaica v Ireland - hopefully they make a big thing of the cultural side of this fixture - could be a good party :kolobok_biggrin:

Ireland v Lebanon - a lot will depend on the squads, but again, this could be a decider and could be an interesting one.

Tonga v PNG - should be a great game, full of energy, colour and a lot of passion and talent. I'll be going out of my way to get to this one without question.

Tonga v Cooks - battle of the Pacific Island teams, should be good.

Cooks v PNG - probably the decider for 2nd spot.

Obviously there are the normal games with the big teams that I am interested in, but the above are the games that I will try and get along to in the group stages if at all possible. 

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