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5 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Just looking out of my window at one of the container ships heading somewhere else, made me wonder if the ships crew became ill, and died, and as there is only usually less than 20 on board for a 4-6 month trip, what would happen to the ship?

It would become a ghost ship (no really).  There are a few floating round, and unless they become a danger to navigation or they are worth something decent, they are left to float about.

Now in the case of a container ship, the salvage is worth doing.  
 

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I thought basic paper marks were only any use in preventing the spread of the virus through coughing. Thus protection for others more than the wearer. 


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7 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

So business as usual in Scotland. All you need to do is wear a tacksuit and trainers, like a shield to avoid any restrictions you don't feel like complying with. 

The same advice on driving has been given by some government ministers and the cabinet office.  Others have interpreted the rules differently and say you can’t drive.

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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2 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

The same advice on driving has been given by some government ministers and the cabinet office.  Others have interpreted the rules differently and say you can’t drive.

Politicians are wishy washy, police can see that it's easily demonstrated that driving prior to and after exercise is not minimising the amount of time you are out of the home and worse, that this exception to staying at home can be exploited. 

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55 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Cough and fever seem to be the main symptoms. There are some things on social media comparing symptoms with standard flu and colds. 

According to a GP on TV this morning, there are hardly any cases of flu in the UK at the moment so he said that medical professionals are treating everything non-sniffly as Covid 19.

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1 hour ago, Clogiron said:

I thought it was compulsory for females in St Helens to wear a mask so as not to frighten the children or horses😁

Are you from Wigan per chance? 😉 

Following on from my previous post about the Eccleston face guard crew, it seems my local NHS Trust is well supplied with PPE.  This is a relief as in St Helens our hospitalised (ie known) cases are doubling every 24 hours now: from 8 two days ago, to 32 today.

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4 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Politicians are wishy washy, police can see that it's easily demonstrated that driving prior to and after exercise is not minimising the amount of time you are out of the home and worse, that this exception to staying at home can be exploited. 

The government has followed up on the matter by saying we should only take exercise locally.  All areas are closing down to stop people from elsewhere travelling there.  Even locally, things are being restricted.  For example, people often walk around St Helens Cemetery as it is a beautiful, peaceful place with lots of trees and benches to sit on for a chat.  However, the Council has now repeatedly asked people not to walk/walk their dogs around the cemetery and I wouldn't be surprised if it is soon closed to the public.

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16 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

It would become a ghost ship (no really).

The MS Zaandam could very soon become a very grim version of one of these.

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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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5 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Politicians are wishy washy, police can see that it's easily demonstrated that driving prior to and after exercise is not minimising the amount of time you are out of the home and worse, that this exception to staying at home can be exploited. 

The virus does not care how long you are out of the home.

Stop this.

The key thing is it can be exploited, the police will need something possible to police, rather than a highly complicated model for minimising transmission.


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Found this:  https://www.nhs.uk/accessibility/health-information-in-other-languages/

Mind you, you have to actively want to look

Just back from the big city, population 3,500 - essential shopping. Queue outside coop, 2 metre separation, entry controlled by staf member. Maybe 30 in queue. 

Carried on to Spar. No queue. Floor marked with 3 metre squares, and direction arrow. Notices instructing do not go into next square if someone already there. Most followed the rules, just one or two idiots didn't. Maybe 20 people in shop. No bread flour, no yeast, no margarine. Everything else OK. 

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2 hours ago, Saintslass said:

Alternatively, the Health Secretary could have caught it first and passed it on to the PM.  Or the chief medical officer could have been the spreader.  You have no idea and nor does that twit Codwallop.

Even someone who is carrying as much water as you are for the Conservative party, should be able to accept that this was terrible, terrible advide from the Prime Minister. Whether it's where he picked it up form is somewhat moot.

(should being the operative word there).

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25 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

The virus does not care how long you are out of the home.

Stop this.

The key thing is it can be exploited, the police will need something possible to police, rather than a highly complicated model for minimising transmission.

Give it a rest. 

Stop what? Posting things you don't agree with on the internet? 

Tell the government and the police to stop this. It's clear as day that everything is geared towards minimising the amount of time you are outside the home;

"These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be MINIMISING time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household." 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others

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2 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Give it a rest. 

Stop what? Posting things you don't agree with on the internet? 

Tell the government and the police to stop this. It's clear as day that everything is geared towards minimising the amount of time you are outside the home;

"These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be MINIMISING time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household." 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others

Bob, I am pleased you can see that this exception can be exploited. The other reasons can be easily verified with a line of questioning and some simple enquiries if needed. 👍

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21 minutes ago, M j M said:

Even someone who is carrying as much water as you are for the Conservative party, should be able to accept that this was terrible, terrible advide from the Prime Minister. Whether it's where he picked it up form is somewhat moot.

(should being the operative word there).

There is a separate section for red mist political posters and their posts.

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36 minutes ago, JohnM said:

There is a separate section for red mist political posters and their posts.

Identifying public figures who are giving bad advice is not political. although it's fascinating that you think it is.

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This is apolitical just something i thought of

 

ALL visas/work permits state "No recourse to public funds" so can their employers claim the 80% furlough amount AND?OR can the person claim benefits in this case as officially as soon as out of work they only have 60 days grace to find another job or leave the country which could be impossible at present anyway

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16 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

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Smudger,

There is a reason I wrote the pm to you. I was being generous.

You have lectured me on scientific data and the thinking behind pandemic response.

I am a PhD scientist, have spent much of my professional career working with viruses and vaccines and have actually worked on pandemic response. I told you this, and yet you continue to preach at me. Stop it. They are foolish posts.

I certainly know what people working on a response will have been thinking of in part. This is very different to a  serious flu pandemic. Being outside is positively beneficial in tackling viruses, as fresh air and sunlight both seem to help. You do not know the mechanism for this. This is outweighed by person to person contact.

Once the police have to enforce it there are different pressures.

Being outside is not the issue. The issue is minimising person to person contact. Keeping people inside is not the aim of the policy, that is what can be policed most easily. If we could trust everyone to act responsibly, people driving to the woods for their exercise would be the best thing. But, how do we police that? We have to come up with a suitable blunt tool, and we have a duty to accept that. It is about populations rather than us as individuals.

You know the people who repost false memes on Facebook? They are not malicious, they are just reposting what they think is useful information. You are doing the same.

 

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9 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Smudger,

There is a reason I wrote the pm to you. I was being generous.

You have lectured me on scientific data and the thinking behind pandemic response.

I am a PhD scientist, have spent much of my professional career working with viruses and vaccines and have actually worked on pandemic response. I told you this, and yet you continue to preach at me. Stop it. They are foolish posts.

I certainly know what people working on a response will have been thinking of in part. This is very different to a  serious flu pandemic. Being outside is positively beneficial in tackling viruses, as fresh air and sunlight both seem to help. You do not know the mechanism for this. This is outweighed by person to person contact.

Once the police have to enforce it there are different pressures.

Being outside is not the issue. The issue is minimising person to person contact. Keeping people inside is not the aim of the policy, that is what can be policed most easily. If we could trust everyone to act responsibly, people driving to the woods for their exercise would be the best thing. But, how do we police that? We have to come up with a suitable blunt tool, and we have a duty to accept that. It is about populations rather than us as individuals.

You know the people who repost false memes on Facebook? They are not malicious, they are just reposting what they think is useful information. You are doing the same.

 

The thing is fella, I ain't reposting false memes. 

Ive lectured you on nothing. Not a thing. 

Mate, you don't need a PhD to know that been outside is not the issue. 

What I am posting is essentially to stay at home, that is the most useful information. Stay at home Bob. 

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1 minute ago, Bob8 said:

Sweet Lord.

Please, be less stupid. Or consider you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

Do not lecture secientists on science.

I'll try not to Bob. But it depends on if there is substantial evidence that they could be wrong. 

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862 deaths in Spain yesterday. Even though there are very strict rules a couple down my street has just had visitors in there villa even though it is strictly forbidden to visit neighbours or family or social mix. Just this morning in my area the dog walking law as been strengthened because people,mostly Brits are completely ignoring the law. Now the Local Police are stopping dog walkers,asking their address and want proof there and then,if they are more than 100 metres from their own home they will be fined. I have just relayed this to the couple who are also dog walkers.Their reaction, I could not care less I am still walking my dog as it will not go to the toilet in our garden and it needs the exercise. This couple walk 2 or 3 kilometres twice a day. I am praying they get stopped and issued with a big fine.If they do not get stopped I personally will report them and I have told them that.

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5 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

Sweet Lord.

Please, be less stupid. Or consider you are nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

Do not lecture secientists on science.

Can you PLEASE give it a break? BOTH OF YOU. I simply don't have time to moderate this forum and want to actually enjoy it in my time off.

Pick one of:

1. Learn to live in harmony;
2. Put each other on ignore AND ABIDE BY IT; or
3. Keep going and run the risk of being binned from the forum.

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2 posts removed, don't have time to do more as my brew is ready and I need to get back to work.

(inc one by Robin who did absolutely nothing wrong but his post was out of place now in referring to the other deleted post!)

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2 minutes ago, ckn said:

Can you PLEASE give it a break? BOTH OF YOU. I simply don't have time to moderate this forum and want to actually enjoy it in my time off.

Pick one of:

1. Learn to live in harmony;
2. Put each other on ignore AND ABIDE BY IT; or
3. Keep going and run the risk of being binned from the forum.

Sorry CKN. 

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