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The barriers to Rugby League's return

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17 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

So for Superleague, every little helps. They're going to have to pay anyhow to fulfill the TV contract, so even 4,000 fans for 3 or 4 games is something worth having.

For the Championship and L1, it strikes me that 25% capacity could be enough for most teams to accommodate their average crowds - certainly would be at Leigh, Fev, Halifax, London to name a few. So maybe that does keep alive the prospect of being able to afford to return to play, if the crowds were allowed early enough.

Any teams stand out for not having enough excess capacity to house their average crowd? 

The next question is, even if some crowds were allowed this autumn, how many regular fans would actually turn up? Unless you can be sure it's most of them, it's still quite a risk financially.      

I think there are a couple of issues. What proportion of people who go to rugby league games will feel as if they have enough spare cash to go to a game alongside the wider issue of how many will feel safe going to a game?

The issue of cost to clubs still includes the unknown about providing testing, infection control etc.

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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:

People who quote Karol Sikora are hilarious. 60,000 dead and he's wanting praise-filled retweets because he said florists might open in June. What a guy.

But ... anyway ...

Domestic cricket looks like it's targeting a domestic season that runs from the start of August to the very end of September and into October. The couple of interesting things: firstly, there's no attempt to make this a regular season. Promotion and relegation from 2019 will come into effect in 2021. 2020 will be a filler, albeit a competitive one.

Second, they are starting on the assumption that there won't be crowds, at least at the beginning, and that if crowds do come then capacities will be massively reduced. Look like, for example, the Oval would go to around 1/4 of its usual capacity at around 6,000.

So, things that might be of interest to RL: a season where the different tiers (in this case, FT clubs who want to play) come together to play geographically before a final; if there are crowds then social distancing means grounds should expect to run around 25% of usual capacity (so, as an example, the Halliwell Jones might have a capacity of 4,000).

(Proposal here: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29230582)

Correct , cricket know they can't fit a full season in , so will run with a ' mini ' comp , that's the best RL ( well SL ) can hope for , a 9 round comp between the 10 UK based teams , all screened on SKY from neutral venues ( not SL ) giving 45 games then a semi and a final 

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19 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Correct , cricket know they can't fit a full season in , so will run with a ' mini ' comp , that's the best RL ( well SL ) can hope for , a 9 round comp between the 10 UK based teams , all screened on SKY from neutral venues ( not SL ) giving 45 games then a semi and a final 

Why would they be non SL? Literally every comment about project restart has suggested Headingley, Saints and Wire as the RL controlled venues for games to take place.

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Looks like the Premier League will be returning mid June to play out the rest of its season - and then primed to restart in September if I'm following the various comments correctly. All behind closed doors for now.

Cricket is carrying on not happening until at least the start of August - but that fits with the idea floated above.

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7 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Why would they be non SL? Literally every comment about project restart has suggested Headingley, Saints and Wire as the RL controlled venues for games to take place.

Because it would be a home game to those 3 clubs 

Obviously ?

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5 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Because it would be a home game to those 3 clubs 

Obviously ?

Thats the rub sadly. Home advantage with no fans didn't do the broncos much good did it?

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8 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Thats the rub sadly. Home advantage with no fans didn't do the broncos much good did it?

It did against Saints ?

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There was a better graphic but I couldn't find it so this screenshot will have to do!

Official comments about biosecurity of venues seems important as to the reduction in the number of venues. In SL we've had it reported that Headingley, Saints and Wire have been preliminary picks for our restart.

If we can get another secure Yorkshire venue I think thats a good spread, York, KR, maybe Donny with L1 football called off. I don't think Hunslet would meet broadcasting requirements and who knows whether they'd want to use any of the other comparatively less modern lower league facilities. Hull FC and Huddersfield are less likely because of the ground share - though that may change if the championship votes to end in the next couple of weeks.

I've not seen if Salford or Leigh have been investigated on the other side of the pennines. 

If we follow the NRL example we could see something like:

Headingley - Leeds, Wakefield, Cas, Huddersfield 

Langtree Park - Saints, Wigan, 

Halliwell Jones - Wire, Salford, Toronto

York/Hull - Hull KR, Hull FC, Catalans

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Looking at the league table, Huddersfield Town will certainly be voting to end the season now. ?

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12 minutes ago, HawkMan said:

Looking at the league table, Huddersfield Town will certainly be voting to end the season now. ?

Hahaha yes them and Hull City! 

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