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1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

Because nobody's interested in 9s 

Nobody is interested in a Wigan versus Leigh derby based on yesterday.

If things are taken seriously, marketed and everyone buys into it then 9s could be a big success as a festival type event aimed at families and kids. 

In RL it is likely clubs will moan, criticise the concept and hope it fails. So no it will not work in RL because RL does not put faith into anything for more than 2 minutes.

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2 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

You've inserted an assumption that only up to 4k would attend, why? 

The most recent iteration of a 9s tournament we had attracted very poor crowds partly as the clubs didn't take it particularly seriously and used mostly academy players. The danger is that if we replaced the Magic Weekend which is successful with a 9s competition without first assessing proof of concept, level of club buy-in, popularity and demand among the fanbase then we risk repeating that and destroying Magic Weekend as an event.

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7 hours ago, Scubby said:

The Storm is a pretty rich franchise now and growing. A lot of the hard work has been done. Before the pandemic, crowds were regularly hitting 15k+ and membership and corporates are increasing. It is also amazingly well run and achieves success without overspending.

They took a decade or more to find their feet and that was where News Ltd's long term commitment helped. Just shows what can happen if you stick and support a long term project eh? The Victorian first grade thing nobody really cares - using that against clubs like Toronto and Catalans shows how flawed that premise is. 

Completely agree; arguably one of the two strongest clubs in the NRL. Nobody cares about how many Victorians are in the squad. Yet the first post replying to this one talked about Canadians in the Toronto side… such a different mentality in RL in England. Compare to the Premier League where nobody gives a hoot about English players if their team is winning… you could argue the rot at London started when the RFL started to listen to the wider sport fan base whinging about the lack of locals/English players in the side. 

A change in mentality/attitude would be a good start in the redevelopment of the sport as well…

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2 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Nobody is interested in a Wigan versus Leigh derby based on yesterday.

If things are taken seriously, marketed and everyone buys into it then 9s could be a big success as a festival type event aimed at families and kids. 

In RL it is likely clubs will moan, criticise the concept and hope it fails. So no it will not work in RL because RL does not put faith into anything for more than 2 minutes.

To be fair, this idea is advocating scrapping one of the biggest RL events in the calendar, and something we have had for almost 15 years to bring back the British Coal Nines. 

People seem to hate change, unless it is their idea, then they like change. 

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7 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Nobody is interested in a Wigan versus Leigh derby based on yesterday.

If things are taken seriously, marketed and everyone buys into it then 9s could be a big success as a festival type event aimed at families and kids. 

In RL it is likely clubs will moan, criticise the concept and hope it fails. So no it will not work in RL because RL does not put faith into anything for more than 2 minutes.

I think it would be wise to run a few 9s tournaments to assess popularity and demand and how committed to sending their front line players clubs are before we looked at replacing a successful event like Magic Weekend with 9s though.

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5 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Completely agree; arguably one of the two strongest clubs in the NRL. Nobody cares about how many Victorians are in the squad. Yet the first post replying to this one talked about Canadians in the Toronto side… such a different mentality in RL in England. Compare to the Premier League where nobody gives a hoot about English players if their team is winning… you could argue the rot at London started when the RFL started to listen to the wider sport fan base whinging about the lack of locals/English players in the side. 

A change in mentality/attitude would be a good start in the redevelopment of the sport as well…

How would they react to no Australians in the Melbourne team ?

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2 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

How would they react to no Australians in the Melbourne team ?

No idea. If they are anything like the Canadian mindset, they wouldn’t care. As I said, Premier League club supporters don’t really care; success is what they care about. 

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6 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

How would they react to no Australians in the Melbourne team ?

Plenty of Kiwis, Polynesians, Papuans etc who have played for Melbourne at any given time, and as highlighted by so many people so often, far far more of them than any Victorians.

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29 minutes ago, wiganermike said:

The most recent iteration of a 9s tournament we had attracted very poor crowds partly as the clubs didn't take it particularly seriously and used mostly academy players. The danger is that if we replaced the Magic Weekend which is successful with a 9s competition without first assessing proof of concept, level of club buy-in, popularity and demand among the fanbase then we risk repeating that and destroying Magic Weekend as an event.

Very good points Mike, hard to assess proof of concept but certain checks could be made to see if clubs support it.

20/20 was laughed at initially, then when it came round with mass marketing and sold as quick cricket with a smile, it attracted a new audience leaving behind old fans (like me 😂

So it not being fully supported and not got a great history isn't affirmative proof it wouldn't work if sold and presented differently. 

One thing we can be sure of is more of the same will bring the same issues and results, we need to maintain what is good and innovate to grow.

If not 9s then what? 

 

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1 minute ago, Tommygilf said:

Plenty of Kiwis, Polynesians, Papuans etc who have played for Melbourne at any given time, and as highlighted by so many people so often, far far more of them than any Victorians.

I said NO Australians in the team , as in NO Canadians in the Toronto team , as in ' like for like ' comparisons 

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1 minute ago, GUBRATS said:

I said NO Australians in the team , as in NO Canadians in the Toronto team , as in ' like for like ' comparisons 

No it would be like an NFL London franchise with no British players in the team? Who would care?

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11 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I said NO Australians in the team , as in NO Canadians in the Toronto team , as in ' like for like ' comparisons 

Odd that as it is not a like for like comparison at all given the 100 odd year history of professional RL in one of those countries but not the other.

A far closer comparison, as was suggested in an earlier post, is English players at London Broncos. A point which London are far stronger at developing locals than Melbourne, but are they better for it? 

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43 minutes ago, David Dockhouse Host said:

Very good points, hard to assess proof of concept but certain checks could be made to see if clubs support it.

20/20 was laughed at initially, then when it came round with mass marketing and sold as quick cricket with a smile it attracted a new audience leaving behind old fans (like me 😂

So it not being fully supported, not bad a great history isn't affirmative proof it wouldn't work if sold and presented differently. 

One thing we can be sure of is more of the same will bring the same issues and results, we need to maintain what is good and innovate to grow.

 

STOP comparing RL to cricket , even the shortest form of Cricket used to take 7/8 hours , even now the shortest form takes longer than a game of RL , it isn't about shortening the time it takes to play the game , it's about making it more interesting , more competitive , more unpredictable 

Christ on a bike 😤

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Don't think a 9s will be successful. Works in union because they use it to showcase the game in other countries.

Reducing the SL to 10 is just an admission of the sad state of League in England. We could potentially have 3 clubs from the same borough next year (Cas, Wakefield, Featherstone). All great clubs but not sustainable going forward.

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31 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Odd that as it is not a like for like comparison at all given the 100 odd year history of professional RL in one of those countries but not the other.

A far closer comparison, as was suggested in an earlier post, is English players at London Broncos. A point which London are far stronger at developing locals than Melbourne, but are they better for it? 

So you admit , there is no like for like comparison 

Give me 200 million over a decade and I'll make a success of a London based RL team , no problem , especially if I can cheat on the salary cap 😂

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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

STOP comparing RL to cricket , even the shortest form of Cricket used to take 7/8 hours , even now the shortest form takes longer than a game of RL , it isn't about shortening the time it takes to play the game , it's about making it more interesting , more competitive , more unpredictable 

Christ on a bike 😤

3 minutes ago, NW10LDN said:

Don't think a 9s will be successful. Works in union because they use it to showcase the game in other countries.

 

Can we not use it to showcase the sport also? Isn't that what we want to do? 

Nobody is suggesting it replaces normal rugby, just an addition too for reasons such as promotion to new audiences 👍

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1 hour ago, Smudger06 said:

Not see the World Cup Nines ? 

So an International 9s competition held in the most RL mad city in the world , containing large numbers of ex pat immigrants from the majority of the countries taking place , and they held it in a stadium half the size of the one being suggested we take our club 9s to ? 

Seriously ?

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