The Players Are Revolting

[Barley Mow]

Last night I watched the full match re-run of Keighley v Bradford from the weekend. At one point there was a high tackle, with a player getting caught across the chin - it look to me like direct contact. A penalty was given, but no card or (as far as I've been able to see) any other further action.

It then struck me that the Championship and L1 clubs have been playing 1895 and Challenge Cup matches for four weeks now and there doesn't seem to have been any increase in the severity of punishment as there was in Super League last weekend.

The match officials and disciplinary procedures will/should be applying interpretations in exactly the same way throughout the different levels of the professional game, so where did the difference in outcome in SL come from last week? 

Edited February 22 by Barley Mow

[Harry Stottle]

3 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

The match officials and disciplinary procedures will/should be applying interpretations in exactly the same way throughout the different levels of the professional game, so where did the difference in outcome in SL come from last week? 

Totally agree, but please adopt the interpretations that are applied to the lower leagues.

Perhaps the panel may think the lower leagues players can't afford the fines?

 

 

[JohnM]

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Its quite possibly the most moronic of arguments, driving is one of the most regulated things we do for gods sake, and as you say is constantly advancing safety requirements in every way.

Exactly.  in 1966, steering columns didn't collapse in front-on accidents, wing mirrors didn't spring back when hit and crumple zones were unkown.  Some people criticised the intrduction of seat belts etc even though it was for our own good, just like now, when some people still oppose things in our game designed to reduce the risk of injury as a consequence of playing our game.

Improved vehicle legisaltion has helped reduced road deaths, so why will improved  tacking rules not make a difference to our players lives in years to come. Looks like some players need protecting against themsleves.

[Phil]

4 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Well it seems the antagonists of these systems and rules are the ones at the pointy end, I am sure they are well aware of the minimal risks of neurological complications by participating in the sport.

How minimal Harry? I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy in my50s.

The doc asked me if I had been a boxer, I laughed and asked if I looked like I had. He then asked if I had taken repeated blows to the head, I told him I’d played rugby league for for 20 plus years “that’ll be it then” he said

Ok, it’s only one example, but it’s pertinent to me 

[Indigogo]

1 hour ago, Barley Mow said:

Last night I watched the full match re-run of Keighley v Bradford from the weekend. At one point there was a high tackle, with a player getting caught across the chin - it look to me like direct contact. A penalty was given, but no card or (as far as I've been able to see) any other further action.

It then struck me that the Championship and L1 clubs have been playing 1895 and Challenge Cup matches for four weeks now and there doesn't seem to have been any increase in the severity of punishment as there was in Super League last weekend.

The match officials and disciplinary procedures will/should be applying interpretations in exactly the same way throughout the different levels of the professional game, so where did the difference in outcome in SL come from last week? 

This is a point I've been making since last week's SL games. If those same rules are supposed to have been applied in the Challenge and 1895 cup, then I haven't seen them. Plenty of players of balls and markers not standing square infringment, but none of the contact with the head being sin bins and red cards. There was 3 late hits on the same player in the Cougars V Bulls match (2 retrospective bans have been given today) and I'm certain they would have been at least sin bins in SL.

[RigbyLuger]

No video ref in those games though either.

[Spidey]

I've watched a few community games, where the armpit rule is in place, it did feel like there have been more penalties for high tackles, but not seen any cards in them yet.   Video Refs being at all SL games gives a chance to review incidents on the spot - I guess this is the reason more cards have been produced

[OriginalMrC]

Castleford now supporting fundraiser pages calling the governing body corrupt*. IMG must currently be re-evaluating their position. 

*been deleted now

 

[del capo]

26 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

Castleford now supporting fundraiser pages calling the governing body corrupt*. IMG must currently be re-evaluating their position. 

*been deleted now

 

Not surprised if it has been deleted.

Castleford club could themselves be in trouble with the RFL  for endorsements such as this.....

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, del capo said:

Castleford club could themselves be in trouble with the RFL  for endorsements such as this.....

They won't be, because the RFL will (a) lack the cojones and (b) not have the operational rules and processes.

[meast]

9 hours ago, Dave T said:

It really could be an expensive season for those Cas fans. Looking at last season, Liam Watts received 7 charges, banned in total for 8 of their matches.

Will their dole go that far?

[longboard]

11 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:

It's a conspiracy against Liam Watts.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/ryan-roebuck-1?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socpledgemobile&utm_content=ryan-roebuck-1&utm_campaign=post-pledge-mobile&utm_term=9a4Gdp3j9&fbclid=IwAR0TMLMFhVeISstnUrdD-pYRgSFIds9Wvwem_BDIJcj6zOZ9tSZ8I9VsZBU_aem_Ad__wP8TONi4wGZZy0RWbRneWDyksfWGm7JAETkkMZ-rpGwo3HzBzLIaKutbdT8D9YE

The players would do well to come out and say this sort of thing is nonsense while they're at it.

Jasus.

A suitable cas for treatment?

[longboard]

8 hours ago, Phil said:

How minimal Harry? I was diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy in my50s.

The doc asked me if I had been a boxer, I laughed and asked if I looked like I had. He then asked if I had taken repeated blows to the head, I told him I’d played rugby league for for 20 plus years “that’ll be it then” he said

Ok, it’s only one example, but it’s pertinent to me 

Sorry to hear that Phil. 

[del capo]

21 hours ago, gingerjon said:

They won't be, because the RFL will (a) lack the cojones and (b) not have the operational rules and processes.

As to (b) they most certainly do. See C2: 12 and C2;13.

Whether they have the balls is quite another matter.......

[The Blues Ox]

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/luke-robinson-rugby-league-head-28695035

Nice to see another player supporting making the game safer rather than pretending to be 10 men like some of the current players whos posts you see on Twitter each week. Interesting that Luke also mentions that he did not know the risks again if you listen to some current pro's you would believe at 10 years old when they started playing they knew exactly the consequences of getting bashed round the head repeatedly. 

[yipyee]

Are the players against safer playing conditions as they won't be able to put a claim in when they retire ?

Someone in their 30s could say the damage is done so any rule changes would decrease a potential payout ?

[N2022]

2 minutes ago, yipyee said:

Are the players against safer playing conditions as they won't be able to put a claim in when they retire ?

Someone in their 30s could say the damage is done so any rule changes would decrease a potential payout ?

A possibility, and also possible that some genuinely enjoy / crave a higher risk game but probably far more likely that they either 1 struggle to adapt technique and are perhaps fearful of the bigger changes next year (will there be an abnormally high no. of retirements?) or 2 want to portray themselves as harder than a new generation.

[RigbyLuger]

55 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/luke-robinson-rugby-league-head-28695035

Nice to see another player supporting making the game safer rather than pretending to be 10 men like some of the current players whos posts you see on Twitter each week. 

Jordan Turner's "Roll on 2025" last week amused me greatly.

[gingerjon]

20 minutes ago, yipyee said:

Are the players against safer playing conditions as they won't be able to put a claim in when they retire ?

No, I just think they're worried that it makes them look less macho because the toughness aspect of the sport is what has been drilled into them since day one.

 

[Dunbar]

37 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

No, I just think they're worried that it makes them look less macho because the toughness aspect of the sport is what has been drilled into them since day one.

 

I think you are right, despite the way you put it.

They play a tough game and, as a group, they are keen to show how much they love the toughness.  I was doing the same when I was younger, and I expect at that age, any added known danger would have been a badge of honour. 

You think differently in your 20's than your 50's.

[gingerjon]

3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I think you are right, despite the way you put it.

To be honest, I rephrased my post to have an excuse to put in the Sinitta video.

But I think the desire of certain young men of a certain type - a type prevalent in rugby league, almost by necessity - to not back down or be protected, is a key driver of their reaction.

[Dunbar]

13 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

To be honest, I rephrased my post to have an excuse to put in the Sinitta video.

But I think the desire of certain young men of a certain type - a type prevalent in rugby league, almost by necessity - to not back down or be protected, is a key driver of their reaction.

I find it impossible to be critical of them.

As I say, I felt the same.  I was not a dirty player but I would have railed at the idea of being protected.

[gingerjon]

8 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I find it impossible to be critical of them.

As I say, I felt the same.  I was not a dirty player but I would have railed at the idea of being protected.

It's why I think messaging is important and that is something of a quick win in terms of something that could be sorted really easily.

It's still a game for strong folk prepared to put their bodies on the line. That hasn't changed.

[Phil]

21 hours ago, longboard said:

Sorry to hear that Phil. 

Well controlled by medication mate 

[LeytherRob]

After half time at the Halliwell Jones we can probably rename this thread to the players and pundits are revolting.