Toronto and Visa's

[Bedford Roughyed]

3 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

Hardaker might have issues next year actually, i think drug offences are a no no.

He doesn't have a drugs conviction.

(His assault conviction might be an issue though...)

[Rupert Prince]

4 hours ago, Krzzystuff said:

Hardaker might have issues next year actually, i think drug offences are a no no.

But at least anyone who are stoned can get in now. 

[Cake Tiger]

Has someone sent the details of that recommended visa agency to Gary Hetherington?

[ojx]

How do NRL teams manage to travel to play the Warriors without all these dramas? 

[Adelaide Tiger]

OK I have finished work for the day and was bored.

BUT, Please, please, PLEASE .... can someone tell me if Canadian TV have a Border Control show that films at Toronto airport?

Imagine the scenario ....

Airport Staff 'I am sorry but none of your team can enter Canada'

Club Official 'Tha' what'

AS 'None of you can enter our country because you have not got the correct documentation'

CO 'Whats thy on abart.  Wi play in'Tinglish Super League. An' Tonto or whate'er they're called plays in'Tinglish Super League anorl.  So why wud we need documents .... wi are Tinglish, wi rule world, wi invented documents so wi dunt need em'

Player 'You tell em boss.  Wi dint need any docu thingys when wi played Cas and they've a ski slope tha nors bigger than owt you hev oer ere'

A fed up AS 'Fair enough.  Why don't all thirty of you go into that room over there and join your compatriots from Dewsbury who have been sat in there for the last week'.

 

 

 

[RP London]

14 hours ago, bobbruce said:

This is nothing last year we had threads moaning that players weren’t getting a packed lunch when they went to Canada or some such nonsense. 

god i had completely forgotten that! do you think the clubs give out lists of clothes they will need and maybe a limit on the pocket money they are allowed to take too?

[RP London]

14 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do you always have to twist it, SL players and their respective clubs gave been spoke about in the OP, it may have flown over your head but TWP will welcome two Championship and two SL teams in the qualifying 8's, please keep up.

all of which could have had this dealt with in February.. 

[RP London]

1 hour ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

OK I have finished work for the day and was bored.

BUT, Please, please, PLEASE .... can someone tell me if Canadian TV have a Border Control show that films at Toronto airport?

Imagine the scenario ....

Airport Staff 'I am sorry but none of your team can enter Canada'

Club Official 'Tha' what'

AS 'None of you can enter our country because you have not got the correct documentation'

CO 'Whats thy on abart.  Wi play in'Tinglish Super League. An' Tonto or whate'er they're called plays in'Tinglish Super League anorl.  So why wud we need documents .... wi are Tinglish, wi rule world, wi invented documents so wi dunt need em'

Player 'You tell em boss.  Wi dint need any docu thingys when wi played Cas and they've a ski slope tha nors bigger than owt you hev oer ere'

A fed up AS 'Fair enough.  Why don't all thirty of you go into that room over there and join your compatriots from Dewsbury who have been sat in there for the last week'.

 

 

 

AS: While I go fetch my rubber gloves

[Harry Stottle]

43 minutes ago, RP London said:

all of which could have had this dealt with in February.. 

Do you think Leeds will at this moment in time now be applying 'just in case' and an honest answer please, do you think every SL club should have applied back in Feb.

I have never stated what is right or wrong, I was asking a question in the OP which may be relevant come the games that will be scheduled in Toronto, as I said it should be no problem for the Champonship teams, all their rosters should be accounted for, OK on the premise that all the SL clubs did apply back in Feb the only 'grey' area that could be a cause for concern is the situation where clubs have signed player's because of and to improve their chances of success in the eights.

I do not know the implication of the proceedure to obtain the correct documentation to visit and play for ones club in Canada, it was highlighted by the Dewsbury Chairman that they were denied the services of some players even though they applied some 8 weeks prior to thier game, he did not go into detail, but expressed it was a problem, hence the OP.

Simple question, regarding those newbies clubs may bring in, if for no other reason than lack of time to obtain 'clearance' should a club be denied their services?

[Shadow]

19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do you think Leeds will at this moment in time now be applying 'just in case' and an honest answer please, do you think every SL club should have applied back in Feb.

I have never stated what is right or wrong, I was asking a question in the OP which may be relevant come the games that will be scheduled in Toronto, as I said it should be no problem for the Champonship teams, all their rosters should be accounted for, OK on the premise that all the SL clubs did apply back in Feb the only 'grey' area that could be a cause for concern is the situation where clubs have signed player's because of and to improve their chances of success in the eights.

I do not know the implication of the proceedure to obtain the correct documentation to visit and play for ones club in Canada, it was highlighted by the Dewsbury Chairman that they were denied the services of some players even though they applied some 8 weeks prior to thier game, he did not go into detail, but expressed it was a problem, hence the OP.

Simple question, regarding those newbies clubs may bring in, if for no other reason than lack of time to obtain 'clearance' should a club be denied their services?

The process should have been started as soon as the clubs knew of a possibility of going to Canadia It's not difficult and bleating on about it being unfair and someone elses's fault is missing the point.

Your simple question has a simple answer, the scenario you paint suggests that the player would have some impediment to gaining a travel visa to Canadia so it should be part of the due diligence undertaken by the club before they signed him to check these issues. It's similar to signing a Russian and expecting to play him before any work visa is available. 

The point is the same in both situations, the clubs are responsible for making sure their players are able to travel and play wherever they may be needed. 

[Just Browny]

22 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do you think Leeds will at this moment in time now be applying 'just in case' and an honest answer please, do you think every SL club should have applied back in Feb.

I have never stated what is right or wrong, I was asking a question in the OP which may be relevant come the games that will be scheduled in Toronto, as I said it should be no problem for the Champonship teams, all their rosters should be accounted for, OK on the premise that all the SL clubs did apply back in Feb the only 'grey' area that could be a cause for concern is the situation where clubs have signed player's because of and to improve their chances of success in the eights.

I do not know the implication of the proceedure to obtain the correct documentation to visit and play for ones club in Canada, it was highlighted by the Dewsbury Chairman that they were denied the services of some players even though they applied some 8 weeks prior to thier game, he did not go into detail, but expressed it was a problem, hence the OP.

Simple question, regarding those newbies clubs may bring in, if for no other reason than lack of time to obtain 'clearance' should a club be denied their services?

If the 'working' ETA is similar to the tourist ETA and covers five years, no harm whatsoever in Leeds applying now as they will need one next year. Less than a tenner each : even for a Yorkshireman that is good value if it saves a whole load of hassle later on.

[Blind side johnny]

21 hours ago, John WP Fan said:

It has already been confirmed, both by the league and the team, that Toronto will host all its home games (and it looks like there will be 4 of those) in the Qualifiers at Lamport Stadium in Toronto. There is no reason to think otherwise. It has also been confirmed that those games will not be all bunched up, so we're expecting mostly alternating games. Though having a few away games first would give the visiting teams a little more time.

The admission issue has been well understood for more than a year. All the Super League teams knew last fall when Toronto was promoted that they might have to travel to Toronto this summer, and some have them have known for weeks already that such a visit is likely. I see no reason why the bottom 6 teams at least would not have already done the paperwork for this to be ready to bring their best squad over. And with 3 teams now located outside the UK, knowing the criminal history of your players might be a factor in choosing whom to sign.

The Wolfpack have an immigration law firm as a partner, and they assist the visiting teams. I know the part-time teams have very limited resources, but I see no excuse for any Super League team who hasn't done their homework to prepare for a visit to Toronto months in advance. And yes, it would be great if the RFL helped out as well.

Just to be clear, Dewsbury did use a Canadian firm specialising in visa procurement but two players were still turned back at the airport. It shouldn't really surprise people to learn that many sportspeople have skeletons in their cupboards, largely from their youths, which they clearly forgot to declare. I can't imagine SL clubs being immune from this same problem.

[FearNothing]

8 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

Just to be clear, Dewsbury did use a Canadian firm specialising in visa procurement but two players were still turned back at the airport. It shouldn't really surprise people to learn that many sportspeople have skeletons in their cupboards, largely from their youths, which they clearly forgot to declare. I can't imagine SL clubs being immune from this same problem.

What is does show is a certain naivety or dishonesty or whatever on the part of those players who didn't declare all they should have - if in doubt about any part of their application a phonecall to the Canadian consulate/embassy should have cleared up any issues.....it's those players the clubs should take issue with, not with the rest of the process or TWP.

[JohnM]

It goes without saying, which is why no one other than chippy types has said it,  that any SuperLeague club who fails to get the right paperwork where it is needed, is even worse in this respect than Championship clubs who don't have the right paperwork.

Anyone prepared to say why Dewsbury had two players turned back. What did the players "forget" to declare? 

[RP London]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Do you think Leeds will at this moment in time now be applying 'just in case' and an honest answer please, do you think every SL club should have applied back in Feb.

I have never stated what is right or wrong, I was asking a question in the OP which may be relevant come the games that will be scheduled in Toronto, as I said it should be no problem for the Champonship teams, all their rosters should be accounted for, OK on the premise that all the SL clubs did apply back in Feb the only 'grey' area that could be a cause for concern is the situation where clubs have signed player's because of and to improve their chances of success in the eights.

I do not know the implication of the proceedure to obtain the correct documentation to visit and play for ones club in Canada, it was highlighted by the Dewsbury Chairman that they were denied the services of some players even though they applied some 8 weeks prior to thier game, he did not go into detail, but expressed it was a problem, hence the OP.

Simple question, regarding those newbies clubs may bring in, if for no other reason than lack of time to obtain 'clearance' should a club be denied their services?

I'll answer this as you asked me but its pretty much the same answer that I have already given in my other posts on the subject and that other people have said already. 

Yes ALL Super League clubs should have applied for these for each player at the beginning of the season. As has been stated the visas/travel docs are not single trip so they will last for long enough ie next year or the year after and most/all Super League clubs should have seen Toronto coming in the next few years and after last year surely its better to be safe than sorry. 

For the new players coming in as has been pointed out this should be part of the Due Diligence for signing a player at that stage of the season. 

Equally when all is said and done on this if they are denied the player for the game then their Due Diligence has not been good enough OR they have decided that for that one match they wont be missed. Players can miss matches injured and even for the birth of kids, which again I would guess would be part of the due diligence process (have they got a kid on the way, are they carrying an injury/injury prone).. 

I dont buy this "woe is me" tale from anyone. If they players arent being forthcoming in their naughtiness for whatever reason then it is their fault, not the club's nor the rfl's. If the clubs havent given themselves long enough to get it sorted then frankly they are idiots.

Get it sorted out.. the amount of people that travel to all sorts of places (I used to) for work and never have an issue and at sometimes much shorter notice than the clubs are getting even in the super 8s (people I worked with could get summoned to all sorts of countries for work and had to go within a couple of days and still managed it) I just cannot understand why it is so difficult for the RL clubs to be organised. 

It seems to me that every other walk of life can manage this I am properly shocked that this is happening but not at the system I am shocked at the clubs being so bad. If its because the players withhold the information then discipline the players and say that its because players withheld information as it is 100% their fault and they should take the blame. If they dont say that then you have to assume the fault lies at the club. I would very rarely say the fault lies with the immigration authorities in Canada because they process so many of these and even just looking at RL there have been few incidents really, players or speccies, in the 2 years Toronto have been running it points more at the club not being organised or more likely the players not getting info across.

[Adelaide Tiger]

To add insult to injury about this topic is that all the thicky, inner city council estate lads that play football all managed to get into Russia without any problem.

[Big Picture]

46 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

To add insult to injury about this topic is that all the thicky, inner city council estate lads that play football all managed to get into Russia without any problem.

 

1 hour ago, RP London said:

I'll answer this as you asked me but its pretty much the same answer that I have already given in my other posts on the subject and that other people have said already. 

Yes ALL Super League clubs should have applied for these for each player at the beginning of the season. As has been stated the visas/travel docs are not single trip so they will last for long enough ie next year or the year after and most/all Super League clubs should have seen Toronto coming in the next few years and after last year surely its better to be safe than sorry. 

For the new players coming in as has been pointed out this should be part of the Due Diligence for signing a player at that stage of the season. 

Equally when all is said and done on this if they are denied the player for the game then their Due Diligence has not been good enough OR they have decided that for that one match they wont be missed. Players can miss matches injured and even for the birth of kids, which again I would guess would be part of the due diligence process (have they got a kid on the way, are they carrying an injury/injury prone).. 

I dont buy this "woe is me" tale from anyone. If they players arent being forthcoming in their naughtiness for whatever reason then it is their fault, not the club's nor the rfl's. If the clubs havent given themselves long enough to get it sorted then frankly they are idiots.

Get it sorted out.. the amount of people that travel to all sorts of places (I used to) for work and never have an issue and at sometimes much shorter notice than the clubs are getting even in the super 8s (people I worked with could get summoned to all sorts of countries for work and had to go within a couple of days and still managed it) I just cannot understand why it is so difficult for the RL clubs to be organised. 

It seems to me that every other walk of life can manage this I am properly shocked that this is happening but not at the system I am shocked at the clubs being so bad. If its because the players withhold the information then discipline the players and say that its because players withheld information as it is 100% their fault and they should take the blame. If they dont say that then you have to assume the fault lies at the club. I would very rarely say the fault lies with the immigration authorities in Canada because they process so many of these and even just looking at RL there have been few incidents really, players or speccies, in the 2 years Toronto have been running it points more at the club not being organised or more likely the players not getting info across.

Whatever the reason, considering how common it is nowadays for someone to travel for their work as you've described, these continuing issues with pro RL clubs managing it reflect very badly on them and the sport.

[Cake Tiger]

2 hours ago, Just Browny said:

If the 'working' ETA is similar to the tourist ETA and covers five years, no harm whatsoever in Leeds applying now as they will need one next year. Less than a tenner each : even for a Yorkshireman that is good value if it saves a whole load of hassle later on.

They won't meet next year - with Toronto in SL and Leeds in the Championship.

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, Cake Tiger said:

They won't meet next year - with Toronto in SL and Leeds in the Championship.

There’s always the qualifiers again

[RP London]

20 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

 

Whatever the reason, considering how common it is nowadays for someone to travel for their work as you've described, these continuing issues with pro RL clubs managing it reflect very badly on them and the sport.

exactly... if its the players trying to pull a fast one then fine and they should be outed for it because it is their fault. If they front up to the club the club arent going to necessarily judge them for it they are just going to have to get all the documentation right.. the player though has to be honest.. and that is the same in any walk of life! it beggars belief that RL clubs and RL players think it should be any different

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Just to be clear, Dewsbury did use a Canadian firm specialising in visa procurement but two players were still turned back at the airport. It shouldn't really surprise people to learn that many sportspeople have skeletons in their cupboards, largely from their youths, which they clearly forgot to declare. I can't imagine SL clubs being immune from this same problem.

They should use the same firm as Formula 1. Never see any issues with that sport.

[manu266]

 

1 hour ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

To add insult to injury about this topic is that all the thicky, inner city council estate lads that play football all managed to get into Russia without any problem.

And the Kiwis and English team apparently got through US immigration as well!

[Derwent]

3 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Just to be clear, Dewsbury did use a Canadian firm specialising in visa procurement but two players were still turned back at the airport. It shouldn't really surprise people to learn that many sportspeople have skeletons in their cupboards, largely from their youths, which they clearly forgot to declare. I can't imagine SL clubs being immune from this same problem.

You would think they wouldn't go to the airport without an ETA though ? Surely if the ETA had been issued then they would be ok to travel ?

[manu266]

2 minutes ago, Derwent said:

You would think they wouldn't go to the airport without an ETA though ? Surely if the ETA had been issued then they would be ok to travel ?

Unless their passport is expired or will expire in less than 6 month, or is altered, or is not signed, or the picture is not recent enough. Airlines have to pay for all costs if the guy is refused entry in Canada, so they can be really picky sometimes.

I travel to Schengen with an expired EU/Schengen passport, which is totally acceptable by International convention (I was surprised myself but the Schengen agent or machine let me in all the time). But it's always hard to convince the airlines personnel to let me in the plane.

ETA and a good passport is enough to board the plane, not enough to enter Canada though, you still have to convince the Canadian agent that you are a good guy, that you will not look for a job in Canada, and that you are gonna get the hell out of Canada as soon as the beer garden kegs are empty.

[Krzzystuff]

1 hour ago, manu266 said:

 

And the Kiwis and English team apparently got through US immigration as well!

and we didn't know who was going until last week...and its people from the UK and Oz.

Fact is we have held celebrities at the border and prevented concerts from going ahead because they had legal issues (snoop dog is the latest one i can think of), no one is special.

Get your stuff in order or watch from outside our boarder...i wonder if Snoop used that in any songs after?